tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post3896786556798155959..comments2024-02-08T19:00:06.509+05:30Comments on Aerial View : Who is Afraid of the Truth in OROP?Aerial Viewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-6345935169858194952016-04-18T21:45:56.037+05:302016-04-18T21:45:56.037+05:30Very informative articleVery informative articleAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04146197994608379494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-28571927472188239962015-10-17T02:01:57.627+05:302015-10-17T02:01:57.627+05:30You have ripped the babuz n the netas ....indepth ...You have ripped the babuz n the netas ....indepth info ....its a right they are doing no daya daan ....the most important lot for the country being humiliated for years just because they chose to be humble ...Grow up ....N mellow down your egos ...give the Services their right writingbugghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15099782603728317688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-64010634401499059842015-09-21T22:19:13.319+05:302015-09-21T22:19:13.319+05:30the article is well written . very informative, it...the article is well written . very informative, it opens our eyes to the fiendish way the babus are working to negate good things for we chaps. all that is fine. we all protest . yes we have no guilt feelings. but what is the use of our protest like shouting in the wilderness !! any care takers !! shout shout !! well will the PM or RM or even FM of BJP or even Congress even move an inch for our betterment. Present RM is an titian but even he has gone by the babus. yes the downtrend motion was set in by Nehru himself who saw no use of Defence force leading to the 62 debacle !! The RM was put to test and thrown out but we never learnt any thing but are questioned now and then by audit in service and later by babus for pension legitimate though . in 71 we won the war hands down but the general yes the field marshal was humiliated. his arrears were paid when he was near death bed by Dr Kalam !.it reads poor reading. so do not whine but demand yes we are doing it in a democratic way in a disciplined way but even then we are scoffed at !! I can only Time will Tell by and by when we are the graves !!! <br /> achutahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01992496446417131365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-31480224702871157682015-09-20T11:28:04.645+05:302015-09-20T11:28:04.645+05:30@corona8, this blog is for providing verifiable in...@corona8, this blog is for providing verifiable information. I was wrong and I corrected myself.<br /> @Balvinder Singh is expressing his opinion. So be it. Aerial Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-63824912702797193732015-09-20T09:13:40.486+05:302015-09-20T09:13:40.486+05:30@Balvinder Singh:"..Please don't digress....@Balvinder Singh:<i>"..Please don't digress.."</i><br /><br />I agree comments should not be off-topic. But, here, the blog owner was responding to a comment, which was strictly not "off-topic" as it was related to OROP, even though not directly. A point was then raised in response to blog owner's observation. It is the blog owner's discretion what manner of comments get published, even those, like yours, that seek to regulate what others should or should not mention.<br /><br />I saw another comment just now instructing the blog owner himself how he should reformat the blog-post, a comment the blog owner has graciously permitted to be published.<br /><br />My take is, no one forces anyone to read comments they don't like or view as "digressions". How can a comment, permitted by the blog owner, serve to digress from the main body of what you rightly observe to be a <i>"a well researched and well worded article on OROP"</i>?<br /><br />When and if you ever start a blog, and if someone takes the time to read it and then comment on it, you would be well within your rights to tell others not to "digress" and hasten their egress from your own blog.corona8https://www.blogger.com/profile/14443791458911191943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-49506504311505347682015-09-20T08:22:56.837+05:302015-09-20T08:22:56.837+05:30With your permission, am inserting the correction....With your permission, am inserting the correction.Aerial Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-19316736032880788952015-09-20T07:25:42.059+05:302015-09-20T07:25:42.059+05:30The media has now decided to publish only those ar...The media has now decided to publish only those articles that are anti OROP. See TOI of today which carries Chetan Bhagat's views.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06433553993403792541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-22566921825962884282015-09-20T06:44:40.882+05:302015-09-20T06:44:40.882+05:30Perhaps we should demand complete parity with civi...Perhaps we should demand complete parity with civil servants and justice to the Military by abolishing OROP/NFU/APEV SCALES/DORMANT SERVICE UPTO 60 YEARS,BY REDUCING IT BY TEN YEARS. Surely the Nation's Treasury will save considerably and the Tax-Payer happy his contribution to the Nation's exchequer is spent wisely.Ravihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13593150300890766691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-90839613855801051022015-09-20T00:15:35.970+05:302015-09-20T00:15:35.970+05:30MAIN DEVTA JIASE SAMJATHA WOH GADHA NIKLA. KYOUN K...MAIN DEVTA JIASE SAMJATHA WOH GADHA NIKLA. KYOUN Ki Gadha can not understand the sufferings of the soldiers. The pension is earned by us and it is not a charity nor it is at the cost of poor of our country.<br />malreddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03794820025173982165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-2312683242603348602015-09-19T21:48:01.921+05:302015-09-19T21:48:01.921+05:30Sir,
Actually the requirement of family pension i...Sir,<br /><br />Actually the requirement of family pension is exactly the same in the defence as well as the civil services. There is no requirement of minimum qualifying service for deaths in harness to earn an ordinary family pension. What you have done by mistake is, that you have compared an in-harness death of a civil employee on one hand with the death of a military pensioner on the other hand. If a person dies in-harness, then families are entitled to ordinary family pension without any linkage with qualifying service both on the civil as well as military side. If a person dies after release then family is entitled only if the individual had been a pensioner, again both in military as well as civil.<br /><br />Also, the minimum qualifying service of 10 years is applicable under CCS (Pension) Rules, 1972 only when a person superannuates and in rare circumstances is released by the Govt on completing 10+ years of service. For example, if a person joins at 45 years of service and retires at 60 years after completing 15 years service, he/she is entitled to pension since he/she had completed more than 10 years. For other cases, including voluntary retirees, the length required for earning a pension remains 20 years on the civil side while it is 15 years in the military for jawans/JCOs and 20 years for officers.<br /><br />Hope this explains the issues raised by 'Vicky' above too.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Navdeep. Navdeep / Maj Navdeep Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11481215977936848477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-53589287427426199162015-09-19T21:07:11.932+05:302015-09-19T21:07:11.932+05:30Please don't digress by bringing in CSD facili...Please don't digress by bringing in CSD facility to Soldiers and ESMs and dilute the effect of such a well researched and well worded article on OROP. Balvinder Ballihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05040171846198252874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-43524617219256247272015-09-19T20:15:16.596+05:302015-09-19T20:15:16.596+05:30Sad. India has taken Yoga to the UN and got it'...Sad. India has taken Yoga to the UN and got it's rightful place. In the country of Yoga, there are some Yogis in India who are all out to establish only ADHARM,,.but talk DHARM. History can not be forgotten and it repeats at the right time. Life is a circle and not a straight line. Every single well informed Indian is aware that we are not being treated well, it will go back to those who caused this. Submarinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16710060641747845466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-64641459354751821182015-09-19T20:10:01.124+05:302015-09-19T20:10:01.124+05:30A brilliant article bringing out all the facts of ...A brilliant article bringing out all the facts of the case. I only hope the President, (As the Supreme Commander), PM, Finance Minister, the Defence Minister & the rest down the line in the present government realise their folly with playing a waiting game with the three Services & the Veterans. It showed glaringly during the last 42 years. If OROP is delayed further the chances are no one will join the Services in the future and the country will suffer a set back, which will be hard to recover from in the future, as it is the country is suffering from a shortages of citizens wanting to join the services. Jai Hind . Wg Cdr (Retd) PS Sanadihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14125579584952145774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-32930659382751911002015-09-19T20:06:59.964+05:302015-09-19T20:06:59.964+05:30I've shared this article across all my social ...I've shared this article across all my social media accounts--Google, LinkedIn, Twitter and Facebook. The amounts given as monthly pensions to ex-servicemen and their dependents is disgraceful--especially when you think of living expenses (food, clothing, shelter), health care, education for children and caring for dependents. I had thought that the BJP, being a 'nationalist' party, compared to the Congress, would be more alive to the cause of the armed forces personnel. After all, it is this very force that they rely upon to keep our more dangerous neighbours on their toes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03709246044265053568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-88199540162096273152015-09-19T19:04:35.810+05:302015-09-19T19:04:35.810+05:30Media has been purchased by the present Govt. How ...Media has been purchased by the present Govt. How can they report such stupid action by PoliceAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02806974077582003425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-52534727214884030012015-09-19T18:42:26.923+05:302015-09-19T18:42:26.923+05:30It is eye opener for anyone. The discrimination be...It is eye opener for anyone. The discrimination between soldier and civ in all section of pension rules there is no parity. PM is busy on matters best known to him to handle the situation at National level. However, it appears that PM is not interested to know anything about OROP or else he would have called ESM for briefing(No Talks) on the subject. This would have enabled him to take right decision and release the OROP in right spirit.Aam Aadmihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17364998508328525371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-30843144831056296592015-09-19T18:04:31.219+05:302015-09-19T18:04:31.219+05:30Establishment must answer Establishment must answer Babahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00621304592949100525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-15754264839503522262015-09-18T20:29:34.238+05:302015-09-18T20:29:34.238+05:30Well written article. ThanksWell written article. ThanksWg Cdr S M Shukla(Rtd)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06788012925767515565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-743119209129783162015-09-18T18:54:14.596+05:302015-09-18T18:54:14.596+05:30Sir, you have touched on an extremely important is...Sir, you have touched on an extremely important issue. Even in peace locations, due to the remote location of armed forces units, away from civilian areas, URCs perform a function of delivering essentials to serving personnel, as well as ESMs, in a manner that would be difficult, if not outright impossible, for a commercial organisation to replicate.<br /><br />However, I feel that due to their need for this valuable service, the armed forces have created a grossly unmanageable system of storage and supply and created a not exactly productive civilian manpower establishment that, in places, instead of meeting requirements, has created a typical governmental staff work-to-rule environment. Precious manpower assets in uniform also have to be deployed on the system.<br /><br />The whole matter needs a careful analysis from a customer( in this case armed forces personnel and ESM)-focus perspective. Perhaps there is room for a more productive way of designing customer access and delivery, with a much greater quality of service.<br /><br />Co-operative ventures with the likes of Walmart, reliance or even Amazon may enable a dismantling of a needless super-structure which can be replaced with a leaner, effective system of performing the same function in more efficient ways.Dhoophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17461434428038701574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-61013619552580408642015-09-18T16:22:19.289+05:302015-09-18T16:22:19.289+05:30Sir, because of such doubts I provide the source o...Sir, because of such doubts I provide the source or link so that one/you can verify whatever I write.My aims are to provide information from GoI sources and not cook up what pleases me. <br /><br />The GOI website has been quoted below the pensionable service of civilian employees. Please access and re-assure your self.<br /><br />If you can give me a link where I can find how much pension a gazetted officer after 20 years service gets, please provide me the link so that I am more informed.<br /><br />The object of informing people that pensions are taxed is because many trolls believe the pensions and much else ESM get is free of taxes, VAT, service tax etc. <br />Aerial Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-32510815944858107192015-09-18T16:16:10.656+05:302015-09-18T16:16:10.656+05:30Sir, the CSD canteens supply not just rum, as you ...Sir, the CSD canteens supply not just rum, as you believe, but also groceries, toiletries, provisions like oil etc in places like FDL (Forward Defended Locality ) - 405 accessed after a steep climb of 1500 feet from 9000' AMSL with 22 soldiers, and in Siachen where a few thousands survive etc.Do you really believe your Walmart will open stores there? Time you updated your information. I can help you. Aerial Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-17788590537996667332015-09-18T13:24:40.218+05:302015-09-18T13:24:40.218+05:30Sir, I think it is not clear, b,coz it is only way...Sir, I think it is not clear, b,coz it is only way to win the bihar election to the BJP govt.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06580896095117330431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-65202929213574944122015-09-18T13:08:55.115+05:302015-09-18T13:08:55.115+05:30We are yet to see the light of the day regarding ...We are yet to see the light of the day regarding arrears of pay arising out of anomaly in fixation of pay in the 6th Pay Commission Report. The bureaucracy even submitted a false affidavit in the Supreme Court when the case was heard. In spite of the SC ruling to compute the arrears from 2006, the babus again paid the dues from September 2012, the date of judgement! This was again contested and won in favour of ESM. The court/ the Govt should have admonished/ punished the concerned Officers in the level of Secretaries for Contempt of Court. They were let off without even a warning. More than the politicians, it is the bureaucrats who are hell bent in ensuring that as when OROP sees the light of the day, the financial benefit will be so low that it was not worth fighting for. The misguided the DM on VRS when no such thing exits in the Armed Forces. Surprisingly, the three Chiefs who shared the dais with the DM during his briefing did not even utter a word of protest. It was left to ESM to raise a war cry making the PM to clarify that very evening that ESM who took Premature retirement would be eligible. The bureaucrats have ensured that if at all OROP comes into operation, the financial benefit will be paltry and all ESM will be shocked to realise that they have been fighting for this paltry sum. A recent calculation as per the terms and conditions specified now entails only an increase of about only Rs2000/ in the case of a Colonel who retired prior to 2006 after 30 years of Service. I would suggest if this paltry sum is going to be awarded, all ESM may come to an understanding to contribute this to the PM relief fund! The moot question is whether the country is run by the elected representatives or by the bureaucrats? If , as the goings on in OROP reveal that, it is run by the babus as per their whims and fancies, we may as well scrap the parliament and let the country be run bty babus! But what is more worrying is if the Defence Minister can be misguided deliberately on VRS ( on OROP) by the babus to announce a totally irrelevant point, similar deliberate misguidance can happen while briefing the Minister of External affairs on foreign policy issues, the Minister of Finance on financial issues, the Minister of Trade and Commerce on issues related to them by their respective bureaucrats.. It portends very serious repercussions in the running of the country. Pasupathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11244702015611976297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-25368733359895724162015-09-18T12:44:41.144+05:302015-09-18T12:44:41.144+05:30Sir,
The article is very informative and is a deta...Sir,<br />The article is very informative and is a detailed write-up. <br />However, it is felt that adding alongside the pension figures of ESM of different ranks, corresponding pension figures of Civillian Government Servants (Groups A,B,C & D), for similar lengths of rendered service would be appropriate, for proper Impact on any reader. Request re-draft the article with these figures.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01718290320020325526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-57157502442875002292015-09-18T11:12:16.240+05:302015-09-18T11:12:16.240+05:30When there is undeclared emergency, how can this o...When there is undeclared emergency, how can this or any news about the ill-treatment to the ESM find place in the media?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08960441251948327596noreply@blogger.com