tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post6697122931254982808..comments2024-02-08T19:00:06.509+05:30Comments on Aerial View : Some interesting information on the OROP tablesAerial Viewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-90690883726224445732016-04-15T09:33:50.254+05:302016-04-15T09:33:50.254+05:30Arrears are paid till date of credit into your acc...Arrears are paid till date of credit into your account as clarified by a Bank's CPPC. Aerial Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-75947756460846498302016-04-15T09:01:30.567+05:302016-04-15T09:01:30.567+05:30There is ambiguity in the dates related to period ...There is ambiguity in the dates related to period of arrears. These should be 1.7.14 to 3.2.16(latter date corresponds to date of the govt letter. Even circular 555 is dated 4.2.16. But banks have given arrears for Feb 16 also. Circular 557 issued by pcda pensions does clarify the period of arrears in Para 3 note 3 as 1.7.14 to 2.3.16(latter date wrongly given in circular 557) ; it shd be 3.2.16. How can this be corrected?batsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06822992953695534948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-18609424244850842622016-03-11T07:28:36.146+05:302016-03-11T07:28:36.146+05:30Sir,
I have not stated "all pre-2006 Majors ...Sir, <br />I have not stated "all pre-2006 Majors pensioners with 20 years service will be given Lt Col pension."<br /> <br />I have quoted earlier the 5th CPC recommendation that was accepted as a one time exception that Majors with 21 years of service will get pay of Lt Cols but rank pay of Majors in their 22nd year of service.<br /><br />By inference, if the Major is drawing a Lt Col's pay in his 22nd year, he will have to get a Lt Col's pension.<br /><br />You may wish to consider this as the reason why Circular 555 has not given 20 year Majors the pension of Lt Cols. Aerial Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-64480571608100149402016-03-08T16:28:06.674+05:302016-03-08T16:28:06.674+05:30Will the pre 2006 Majors pensioners with 20 years ...Will the pre 2006 Majors pensioners with 20 years service get the Lt Col pension as is the case with those Majors with 21 years service? It is obvious from the explanations given by you that all pre 2006 Majors pensioners with 20 years service will be given Lt Col pension, but the PCDA (P) circular 555 doesn't speak about this. Kindly advice.Manoharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04398056746166406979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-10811363391200884992016-03-08T06:31:05.202+05:302016-03-08T06:31:05.202+05:30Sir,Veterans Associations should put up relevant p...Sir,Veterans Associations should put up relevant points in very clear and concise manner to the Defence Minister.LT.COL.(RETD) K.B.MATHURhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09448185714665532013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-82051431787836322412016-03-07T20:21:38.229+05:302016-03-07T20:21:38.229+05:30The MoD has issued the implementation order and ta...The MoD has issued the implementation order and tables. Obviously, MoD will not have anomalies because it would feel that it is right.<br /><br />Only Veterans would feel that there are anomalies. So if individual Veterans or Assn raise them in a cogent and logical manner, will there be resolutions. <br /><br />Hysterics and histrionics and misinformed positions will not be of any use. Aerial Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-44837142259679602142016-03-06T12:37:41.258+05:302016-03-06T12:37:41.258+05:30Sir, you have made so much detailed analysis avail...Sir, you have made so much detailed analysis available, it leads individual veterans to the next logical step, of trying to get specific anomalies rationalized as they emerge from information now being placed in the public domain.<br /><br />The real issue now is, how can an individual veteran, or even associations, take up matters with the Judicial Committee on OROP? The notification speaks of only "references received from Central Government".<br /><br /><a href="http://www.desw.gov.in/sites/upload_files/desw/files/pdf/Judicial-Commitee-on-OROP.pdf" rel="nofollow"><b>http://www.desw.gov.in/sites/upload_files/desw/files/pdf/Judicial-Commitee-on-OROP.pdf</b></a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-36766096557440740762016-03-02T11:11:26.826+05:302016-03-02T11:11:26.826+05:30Sir I have retired 2010 after completion of 24 yrs...Sir I have retired 2010 after completion of 24 yrs. I have served 15 yrs in Havilar rank. After retirement government granted <br />Have (ACP 1). what pension will be fixed as per govt orders of OROP.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06710006965544973519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-9033456719743383712016-02-27T12:44:53.629+05:302016-02-27T12:44:53.629+05:30I,have no comment till I get the my revised pensio...I,have no comment till I get the my revised pension I D Sharmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15835234338637947481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-76098273227351802302016-02-26T17:13:31.749+05:302016-02-26T17:13:31.749+05:30I am talking about cases of pension for a particul...I am talking about cases of pension for a particular rank & length of service from a particular Service alone being higher than the pension when calculated across three services<br />Hence from a legal/natural justice point of view ,higher of the two methods (individual Service & across three Services ) may need to be adoptedAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11219026867367225038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-87648516083524830602016-02-26T17:00:31.071+05:302016-02-26T17:00:31.071+05:30You may want to read, again, Para 3 (iii) of the 0...You may want to read, again, Para 3 (iii) of the 07 Nov 15 order about protection of pension, if higher. Aerial Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-5735610315149166922016-02-26T16:39:29.389+05:302016-02-26T16:39:29.389+05:30No comment. You are entitled to your thinking. I a...No comment. You are entitled to your thinking. I am only placing facts received through RTI. Aerial Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-21843227805415327262016-02-26T13:36:38.487+05:302016-02-26T13:36:38.487+05:30I think these queries are old - asked by PCDA (P) ...I think these queries are old - asked by PCDA (P) when they were told to compile data for preparation of the OROP tables. These don't look like queries for the implementation of the OROP tables that were issued on 3rd Feb.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12753616977955314860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-11437961156382464102016-02-26T13:32:48.027+05:302016-02-26T13:32:48.027+05:30If i ma not mistaken it is average of the highest ...If i ma not mistaken it is average of the highest & lowest <br />In that case the naval Captain (from your example) would get less & only the Army Col would benefit(presuming that the lowest of Naval Capt is higher)<br />How were even with out going into actual ,the rule seem to be against natural justice & hence may be bad in lawAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11219026867367225038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-29764264110655370022016-02-26T12:56:39.062+05:302016-02-26T12:56:39.062+05:30If the highest across the services for the rank an...If the highest across the services for the rank and qualifying service logic is used, then there is benefit. If the 20y service Capt (Navy) got Rs 30000, and the Col or Gp Capt got Rs 26000, then the average Rs 27333.3333333333 would he higher than Rs 26, 000! Aerial Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-79765456777297058992016-02-26T12:53:06.620+05:302016-02-26T12:53:06.620+05:30The decision is that all Pre-mature retired office...The decision is that all Pre-mature retired officers will get OROP as long as they quit before 07 Nov 15. <br /><br />However, newspapers report that the RM has made an amendment to his announcement that in the interest of the Army, PMR will be permitted and they would be entitled to OROP.<br /><br />So it could be another case of CMLA (not Chief Martial law Administrator as the neighbouring nation used) or Cancel My Last Announcement. Aerial Viewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17115360943663046368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-79482030126593883172016-02-26T09:49:45.579+05:302016-02-26T09:49:45.579+05:30Sir , i wish to seek your opinion on an issue that...Sir , i wish to seek your opinion on an issue that effects many pre 1996 pensioners and family pensioners.<br />Prior to 2004 , pre AVSC , Lt Col was a selection grade rank . In services (ASC, AOC , EME ) it used to take more than 23 yrs to get promoted to this rank . Many of the offrs who joined as Emergency Commissoned or ACC , would retire before even getting a consideration look . case in point is of my father . He was enrolled as an OR in EME (in 1957) after completing class X. completed his graduation , privately , after Emergency Commisson , became an officer (1964) and got permanent commisson in 1969 , in ASC. At the time of retirement with 22 yrs of commissoned service and 22.8 yrs of qualifying service he Retired as a Major , although he was approved for Lt Col , but most unfortunately , could not pick up his Rank , due to non availability of Vacancy , upto the dt of his Retirement(Chain vacancy linked to wastage , due to retirement was coming up only on 31 Dec 19830 .He retired on 30 Sep 1983.<br />Sir , all those who retired in the rank of Major (with 13 yrs of commissoned service ) from 1 Jan 1996 onwards, have been awarded the notional pay of Lt Col , for the purpose of fitment of pension . Is their any provison for pre 1996 retirees also or is there any litigation or case in process to provide parity to them also. If No , may i seek your advise on how to go about it to make an attempt . Who are the concerned and competent authorities for such cases. A suitable reply will be highly appreciated.<br />Col OP SinghOP SINGHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292734092819556377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-61006755118082447272016-02-26T09:23:39.920+05:302016-02-26T09:23:39.920+05:30At the outset , i salute you sir for keeping reade...At the outset , i salute you sir for keeping readers duly informed about the issues of pay & allowances & pensions . role , views and handiwork of various agencies and executives involved , including their mindset (read hidden agenda). I have never found myself empowered and loaded with so much of authentic information & philosophy behind all this , althoug , i used to wonder , whout would be the rationale and mechanics behind this. <br />For a change MoD has given Forces Friendly replies to the smart & genuine queries of PCDA. If they (both ) had shown this attitude earlier , things would not have precipitated to this level.<br />OP SINGHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03292734092819556377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-87301241980477115072016-02-26T08:46:29.421+05:302016-02-26T08:46:29.421+05:30A fundamental doubt has risen in my mind as to whe...A fundamental doubt has risen in my mind as to whether Rank can be equated across three Services when terms of condition are different specially for the lower ranks<br />This may specially assume significance specially if it is proved that the average pesnion across three services is less than average pension for a single Service for a partuclra rank or all ranks<br />Even including non commissioned service (as is the case with Officers who have been soldiers earlier) may be required to fall in a different category of Rank<br />I do feel that the government may have got into a legal trap by going for average pension for OROP calculations<br />If it can be proved that there was malafide intention on part of the govt to adopt a course of action,then it is in big troubleAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11219026867367225038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5780881198603853530.post-13790449914280868052016-02-26T08:01:14.358+05:302016-02-26T08:01:14.358+05:30Is this a new decision that voluntary retirees pre...Is this a new decision that voluntary retirees pre-2006 will not be entitles to OROP benefitsbidyut chatterjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05441929825801077895noreply@blogger.com