Dear Readers,
Before you read this, I wish to draw your attention to a WhatsApp message floating around purportedly from Brig Vidyasagar of TSEWA asking for copies of e-PPO for some action he proposes to take. I would advise you to wait for the RM appointed Committee to submit its report before you send copies of your e-PPO. Discretion is yours.
Disclaimers
Firstly, you are requested to bear in mind that the contents of this post are reproduced from the reply provided by MoD/DESW to RTI application is as faithful a manner as possible.
Secondly, how and the why of the tables and amounts are given where it has been provided in the reply.
Thirdly, this NOT the Revised/Equalisation of OROP. It is just a sample presented to JS (ESW).
Thirdly, this NOT the Revised/Equalisation of OROP. It is just a sample presented to JS (ESW).
Finally, your views may be communicated to the hon'ble RM for inclusion/consideration of the Committee constituted for revision of OROP.
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Sd/----------------20/8/19
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Copy of presentation submitted
by PCDA (P) Allhabad during the meeting held on 24.4.19 in the chamber of JS
(ESW) by Sh A K Malviya, SAO.
* * * * * * *
Slide 1
New OROP
In
7th CPC
If
base year is 2018
Slide 2
Hqrs Office requested MoD, the
following clarifications for doing preparatory works for next OROP:
(a) Whether same methodology for calculating the OROP rate viz.
Average of min & max pension
(b) What is base year from which data of current retirees is to
be used.
(c) The date of effect of next round of OROP.
(d) The report of OMJC is pending with MoD,
whether any recommendation is to be factored into new calculations.
Slide 3
After OROP, 7th CPC
has recommended two formulations without factoring impact of OROP orders
I – multiplying by index
factor of 2.57 & revision has been done by PDAs.
II – Notional pay fixation
method through PPO.
Slide 4
HQrs office has brought
following points to Ministry
I - The notional pay fixation formula
brings all past pensioners to current rates, almost as if they are serving
under 7th CPC
This is also the formula used in
various Court judgments seeking to equate past pensioners with current
retirees. For example, Hon’ble Supreme Court judgment in SPS Vains Vs UoI
(2008) and in DS Nakara case.
As such it is matter of consideration as to whether any
logic exists to initiate the process of OROP once pension of past and current
pensioners has been equated w.e.f. 1.1.2016.
Slide 5
II
- The notional pay based revision of
defence pensioners has commenced. The final pension of past pensioners (as on
1.1.2016) is not available until this is completed. Therefore, data for
comparing past pensioners and current pensioner is incomplete to that extent.
III - The application of multiplying factor to OROP pension has
created an anomaly whereby past pensioners are drawing higher pension than
those who have retired between 1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015 and post 1.1.2016
retirees.
If this anomaly
turns out to be widespread, the logic of revising pension of past retirees to
bring them to the level of current pensioners would not subsist.
Slide 6
Category
|
Period
|
No. of Data obtained from EDP
|
No. of data analysed
|
No. of cases where OROP is beneficial
|
ICOs
|
Post OROP 1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015
|
1246
|
1246
|
375
|
Post 7th CPC 1.1.2016 to March 2019
|
3296
|
3296
|
435
|
|
JCOs/ORs
|
Post OROP 1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015
|
57356
|
53276
|
27085
|
Post 7th CPC 1.1.2016 to March 2019
|
186381
|
180765
|
48647
|
Margin observation in pen: what about those who got OROP?
Slide 7
Contents
illegible
Slide 8
JCOs/ORs
|
||||
Rank, Group & QS Comparison in proposed OROP based on live
data
|
Hav “Y”
QS = 24
|
Nb Sub “Y”
QS= 26
|
Sub “Y”
QS =28
|
Sub Maj “X”
QS = 30
|
Pension in New OROP based Live data of year 2018
|
21207
|
24250
|
30825
|
35425
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
20067
|
26741
|
31529
|
36340
|
Slide 9
However the data of ICOs shows
reverse pattern as under
ICOs
|
|||||
Ranks & QS
Comparison in Proposed OROP based on live data
|
May
QS=24
|
Lt Col
QS=26
|
Colonel
QS=28
|
Brigadier
QS=30
|
Maj Gen
QS=35
|
Pension in New OROP based on live data of year 2018
|
53000
|
94100
|
100900
|
105850
|
109100
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
61208
|
84330
|
90542
|
95797
|
99621
|
Slide 10
Comparative Statement of ICOs
retired after OROP but getting pension less than OROP Rate
Period
|
Retired in Post OROP
(1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015)
|
||
Rank
|
Total No of Pensioners
|
No. of pensioners getting
less than OROP rate
|
%
|
Major
|
4
|
3
|
75.00%
|
Lt Col
|
255
|
197
|
77.25%
|
Col (TS)
|
505
|
62
|
12.28%
|
Colonel
|
266
|
32
|
12.03%
|
Brigadier
|
99
|
3
|
3.03%
|
Major General
|
92
|
76
|
82.61%
|
Lt Gen
|
2
|
2
|
100%
|
Lt Gen (HAG+)
|
23
|
0
|
0.00%
|
Total
|
1246
|
375
|
|
Slide 11
Comparative
Statement of PBOR retired after OROP but getting pension less than OROP rate
Period
|
Retired in Post OROP
(1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015)
|
||
Rank
|
Total No. of pensioners
|
No. of pensioners getting
less than OROP rate
|
%
|
Sep
|
291
|
122
|
41.92
|
Naik
|
3099
|
308
|
9.94
|
Hav
|
25839
|
3557
|
13.77
|
Naib Sub
|
12910
|
12307
|
95.33
|
Sub
|
9986
|
9843
|
98.57
|
Sub Major
|
1151
|
948
|
82.36
|
Total
|
53276
|
27085
|
|
Slide 12
Comparative
Statement of PBOR retired after OROP but getting pension less than OROP rate
Period
|
Retired in Post OROP (1.1.2016
to March 2019)
|
||
Rank
|
Total No. of pensioners
|
No. of pensioners getting
less than OROP rate
|
%
|
Sep
|
3510
|
70
|
1.99
|
Naik
|
18383
|
107
|
0.58
|
Hav
|
102714
|
308
|
0.30
|
Naib Sub
|
29596
|
23425
|
79.15
|
Sub
|
23319
|
22555
|
96.72
|
Sub Major
|
3243
|
2182
|
67.28
|
Total
|
180765
|
48647
|
|
Slide 13
Sepoy Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr
2018
|
OROP beneficial over 7th
CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
15
|
6665
|
17130
|
18275
|
||
16
|
6665
|
17130
|
15173
|
OROP beneficial
|
1957
|
17
|
6665
|
17130
|
15557
|
OROP beneficial
|
1573
|
18
|
6698
|
17214
|
18207
|
||
19
|
6783
|
17433
|
18378
|
||
20
|
6875
|
17669
|
19060
|
||
21
|
6875
|
17669
|
15613
|
OROP beneficial
|
2056
|
22
|
6875
|
17669
|
18150
|
||
Slide 14
Naik Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr
2018
|
OROP beneficial over 7th
CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
17
|
7170
|
18427
|
19832
|
||
18
|
7170
|
18427
|
20307
|
||
19
|
7170
|
18427
|
20269
|
||
20
|
7170
|
18427
|
20582
|
||
21
|
7170
|
18427
|
20213
|
||
22
|
7170
|
18427
|
19107
|
||
23.5
|
7170
|
18427
|
20157
|
||
24
|
7170
|
18427
|
20438
|
||
Slide 15
Havildar Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr
2018
|
OROP beneficial over 7th
CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
17
|
7598
|
19527
|
20907
|
||
18
|
7598
|
19527
|
21101
|
||
19
|
7693
|
19772
|
21407
|
||
20
|
7795
|
20034
|
21207
|
||
22
|
7795
|
20034
|
21950
|
||
24
|
7808
|
20067
|
21207
|
||
25
|
7808
|
20067
|
20463
|
||
26
|
7995
|
20548
|
20850
|
||
26.5
|
7995
|
20548
|
20325
|
OROP beneficial
|
223
|
35
|
22225
|
||||
36
|
22500
|
||||
37
|
22800
|
||||
38
|
22200
|
||||
Slide 16
Nb Subedar Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr
2018
|
OROP beneficial over 7th
CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
22
|
9005
|
23143
|
24125
|
||
22.5
|
9338
|
23999
|
24125
|
||
23
|
9338
|
23999
|
24125
|
||
23.5
|
9338
|
23999
|
24475
|
||
24
|
9429
|
24233
|
24175
|
OROP beneficial
|
58
|
24.5
|
9652
|
24806
|
23550
|
OROP beneficial
|
1256
|
25
|
9733
|
25014
|
23550
|
OROP beneficial
|
1464
|
25.5
|
9946
|
25562
|
23550
|
OROP beneficial
|
2012
|
26
|
10405
|
26741
|
24250
|
OROP beneficial
|
2491
|
26.5
|
10415
|
26767
|
24175
|
OROP beneficial
|
2592
|
27
|
10415
|
26767
|
23825
|
OROP beneficial
|
2942
|
27.5.
|
10577
|
27183
|
25375
|
OROP beneficial
|
1808
|
28
|
10742
|
27607
|
18050
|
OROP beneficial
|
9557
|
Slide 17
Subedar Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr
2018)
|
OROP beneficial over 7th
CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
22.5
|
11150
|
28656
|
26450
|
OROP Beneficial
|
2206
|
23
|
11150
|
28656
|
26075
|
OROP Beneficial
|
2581
|
24
|
11150
|
28656
|
26775
|
OROP Beneficial
|
1881
|
25
|
11150
|
28656
|
26075
|
OROP Beneficial
|
2581
|
26
|
11427
|
29368
|
26825
|
OROP Beneficial
|
2543
|
27
|
11859
|
30478
|
27950
|
OROP Beneficial
|
2528
|
28
|
12268
|
31529
|
30825
|
OROP Beneficial
|
704
|
29
|
12268
|
31529
|
27950
|
OROP Beneficial
|
3579
|
30
|
12690
|
32614
|
31150
|
OROP beneficial
|
1464
|
37
|
25700
|
||||
38
|
25700
|
||||
39
|
26400
|
||||
38
|
22200
|
||||
Slide 18
Subedar Major Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr
2018
|
OROP beneficial over 7th
CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
24
|
12565
|
32293
|
33100
|
||
25
|
12565
|
32293
|
30700
|
OROP beneficial
|
1593
|
26
|
12565
|
32293
|
30700
|
OROP beneficial
|
1593
|
27
|
12565
|
32293
|
32500
|
||
28
|
12757
|
32786
|
31725
|
OROP beneficial
|
1061
|
29
|
13045
|
33526
|
30400
|
OROP beneficial
|
3126
|
30
|
13045
|
33526
|
33625
|
||
31
|
13045
|
33526
|
31725
|
OROP beneficial
|
1801
|
32
|
13045
|
33526
|
32225
|
OROP beneficial
|
1301
|
33
|
13045
|
33526
|
33250
|
OROP beneficial
|
276
|
36
|
31900
|
||||
Slide 19
Major
|
|||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr
2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
16
|
1
|
21530
|
55333
|
47950
|
7383
|
21
|
1
|
22830
|
58674
|
47950
|
10724
|
21.5
|
1
|
22830
|
58674
|
68550
|
Not beneficial
|
22.5
|
1
|
23815
|
61205
|
47950
|
13225
|
24.5
|
1
|
23815
|
61205
|
53000
|
8205
|
Slide 20
Lt Col
|
|||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr
2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
20
|
2
|
31305
|
80454
|
80100
|
354
|
21
|
13
|
31713
|
81503
|
83575
|
Not beneficial
|
22
|
11
|
32428
|
83340
|
82300
|
1040
|
23
|
7
|
32428
|
83340
|
86825
|
Not beneficial
|
24
|
10
|
32428
|
83340
|
89300
|
Not beneficial
|
34
|
11
|
34765
|
89347
|
81800
|
7547
|
Slide 21
Colonel
|
|||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr
2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
28
|
6
|
35230
|
90452
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
29
|
9
|
35235
|
90554
|
10900
|
Not beneficial
|
30
|
11
|
36130
|
92855
|
102350
|
Not beneficial
|
31
|
10
|
36130
|
92855
|
103700
|
Not beneficial
|
32
|
26
|
36130
|
92855
|
103700
|
Not beneficial
|
33
|
16
|
36130
|
92855
|
95000
|
Not benefical
|
Slide 22
Brigadier
|
|||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr
2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
32
|
3
|
37280
|
95810
|
105850
|
Not beneficial
|
33
|
8
|
37570
|
96555
|
108800
|
Not beneficial
|
33.5
|
9
|
37570
|
96555
|
107350
|
Not beneficial
|
34
|
16
|
37570
|
96555
|
107350
|
Not beneficial
|
34.5
|
17
|
37570
|
96555
|
108800
|
Not beneficial
|
35
|
15
|
37570
|
96555
|
107350
|
Not benefical
|
Slide 23
Colonel (TS)
|
|||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr
2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
28.5
|
12
|
35230
|
90542
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
29
|
19
|
35235
|
90554
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
30
|
33
|
36130
|
92855
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
30.5
|
45
|
36130
|
92855
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
31
|
38
|
36130
|
92855
|
102250
|
Not beneficial
|
32
|
45
|
36130
|
92855
|
103700
|
Not beneficial
|
33
|
39
|
36130
|
92855
|
103700
|
Not beneficial
|
Slide 24
Maj Gen
|
|||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr
2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
36
|
6
|
38763
|
99621
|
109100
|
Not beneficial
|
36.5
|
13
|
38763
|
99621
|
107500
|
Not beneficial
|
37
|
17
|
38763
|
99621
|
109100
|
Not beneficial
|
37.5
|
10
|
38763
|
99621
|
107500
|
Not beneficial
|
38
|
3
|
38763
|
99621
|
109100
|
Not beneficial
|
Slide 25
Lt Gen
|
|||||
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr
2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
39
|
1
|
39500
|
101515
|
112050
|
Not beneficial
|
Army Cdr
|
|||||
38.5
|
2
|
40000
|
102800
|
112500
|
Not beneficial
|
VCOAS
|
|||||
39
|
1
|
40000
|
102800
|
112500
|
Not beneficial
|
Lt Gen (HAG+)
|
|||||
37.5
|
3
|
40000
|
102800
|
112200
|
Not beneficial
|
Slide 26
Effect of Modification dated
18 Aug 2010 on 7th CPC
Rank & Group
|
Hav “Y”
QS=24
|
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
|
Sub “Y”
QS=28
|
Sub Maj “Y”
QS=30
|
5th CPC
|
||||
Pay Scale
|
3600-100-5100
|
5620-140-8140
|
6600-170-9320
|
7250-200-10050
|
Class Allow
|
50+50+50
|
|||
Last Pat drawn
|
4400
|
6180
|
7280
|
8250
|
Pay for pension (Max of py scale)
|
5100
|
8140
|
9320
|
10050
|
Pension= Max of pay scale
+ 50% of highest class allowance/2 x QS + weightage /33
|
||||
QS
|
24
|
26
|
28
|
30
|
Pension calculation
|
5100+75/2 x 24=5/33
|
8140/2 x 26+5/33
|
9320/2 x 28+5/33
|
10050/2 x 30+5/33
|
Pension
|
2274
|
3824
|
4660
|
5025
|
Slide 27
6th CPC
|
Hav “Y”
QS=24
|
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
|
Sub “Y”
QS=28
|
Sub Maj
“X” QS=30
|
Pay Band
|
PB-1 (5200-20200
|
PB-II (9300-34800
|
PB-II 9300-34800
|
PB-11 9300-34800
|
Grade Pay
|
2800
|
4200
|
4600
|
4800
|
MSP
|
2000
|
2000
|
2000
|
2000
|
Group “X” Pay
|
-
|
-
|
-
|
1400
|
Classification Allow (100+100+100)
|
100
|
|||
Pay in Pay Band
|
8190
|
11970
|
14100
|
16590
|
Last Pay drawn (total)
|
13090
|
18170
|
20700
|
24790
|
Pension = Last pay +MSP+GP+Gp X Pay + actual classification x
50%
|
||||
Pension formulation as per 6th CPC
|
6545
|
9085
|
10350
|
12395
|
Pension as per MoD dt 18.8.2010 = Notional max across the three
services in fitment table for 6th CPC corresponding to the maximum
of 5th CPC pay scale for rank & group last held
|
||||
Emoluments for pension across the three services as per Mod
18.8.2010
|
15210
|
21350
|
23940
|
27180
|
Pension (formulation as per MoD
dt 18.8.2010)
|
7375
|
10029
|
11970
|
13590
|
Pension beneficial between
two formulations
|
7375
|
10029
|
11970
|
13590
|
OROP rate as on 1.7.2014
|
7808
|
10405
|
12268
|
14140
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
20067
|
25741
|
31529
|
36340
|
Slide 28
7th CPC
|
Hav “Y”
QS=24
|
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
|
Sub “Y”
QS=28
|
Sub Maj
“X” QS=30
|
Pay Level in Pay Matrix
|
L-05
|
L-06
|
L-07
|
L-08
|
Pay in Pay Matrix
|
37000
|
43600
|
50500
|
60400
|
MSP
|
5200
|
5200
|
5200
|
5200
|
Classification allowance (225+225+225)
|
450
|
|||
Group “X” Pay
|
-
|
-
|
-
|
|
Last pay drawn (total)
|
42650
|
48800
|
55700
|
65600
|
Pension as per 7th CPC provisions
|
21325
|
24400
|
27850
|
32800
|
If methodology for calculation of Pension proposed in the same
line of MoD dt 18.8.2010 = Notional max across the three services in pay
matrix of 7th CPC corresponding to fitment table for 6th
CPC which was earlier corresponding to maximum of 5th CPC pay
scale for rank & group last held
|
||||
Emoluments for pension across the three services processed in
the same line of MoD dt 18.8.2010
|
34900
|
50500
|
56900
|
62200
|
MSP
|
5200
|
5200
|
5200
|
5200
|
Classification allowance (225+225+225)
|
450
|
|||
Group “X” Pay
|
3600
|
|||
Notional emolument for pension max across three services
|
40550
|
55700
|
62100
|
71000
|
Pension as per proposed formulation
|
19661
|
26163
|
31050
|
35500
|
Pension beneficial between
the two formulations
|
21325
|
26163
|
31050
|
35500
|
OROP rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
20067
|
26741
|
31520
|
36340
|
Slide 29
Rank, Group & QS
Comparison in various
proposals
|
Hav “Y”
QS=24
|
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
|
Sub “Y”
QS=28
|
Sub Maj
“X” QS=30
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
20067
|
26741
|
31529
|
36340
|
Pension as per 7th CPC provisions
|
21325
|
24400
|
27850
|
32800
|
Pension as proposed on MoD order dated 18 Aug 2010
|
19661
|
26163
|
31050
|
35500
|
Pension in New OROP based on
live data of year 2018
|
21207
|
24250
|
30825
|
35425
|
Slide 30
Rank & QS
Comparison in various
proposals
|
Major
QS=24
|
Lt Col
QS=26
|
Colonel
QS=28
|
Brigadier
QS=30
|
Maj Gen
QS=35
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on
1.1.2016
|
61205
|
84430
|
90542
|
95797
|
99621
|
Pension as per 7th
CPC provisions
|
53000
|
94100
|
103650
|
107300
|
109100
|
Pension in New OROP based on
live data of year 2018
|
5300
|
94100
|
100900
|
105850
|
109100
|
Slide 31
THANKS
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