Dear Sir, What does the dismissal mean for us ? Does it mean that the Rank pay and arrears as decided by CDA is full and final ? What about the hope of pay refixation etc ? Regards
This was a long drawn battle. Whether or not the war is over would depend on stake holders. But it remains to be seen what the order of the Hon'ble Supreme Court has to say and what specific issues have been touched upon.
From the brief RDOA blog post one gets the impression only a revision of the pay-scales was subject of contempt petition and not the complete range of anomalies and infirmities that had been repeatedly stressed upon in the public domain in the period September 2012 till now.
Those affected may have to wait for some more time for a clearer understanding after details emerge.
The final orders are very brief & we cant make about any thing since we dont have access to the contempt petition How ever from what i understood the main issue was 6 th pay commission revision of scales on which no light has been thrown in the order Can i call the order as a very "chaddi" order (sorry for being crude but could not help using the hindi phrase for brief)
"...main issue was 6 th pay commission revision.."
It would break the hearts of all fans of RDOA blog to be brought face to face with the old saying about night long recitations of the Ramayana.
Still, the judgment has been delivered. Unless commentators make the effort of applying for copies of case files, we could expect more interesting interpretations of what stake holders thought the 8 year old saga was about.
@interesting interpretations .We do hope that we do have God almighty amongst the so called RDOA fans who will show us the enlightened path & make the most interesting revelations about the case.We are indeed praying for the enlightenment from the God almighty & we are steeling ourselves so that our heart is not broken :)
Can any one give the reason for removing the RDOA post about the dismissal of contempt petition by the Honorable;e SC,in its site http://rdoaindia.blogspot.in/
Dismissed ! Anticipated ,as it was dragged for years with so many adjourunaments- 100pages of affidavits ,misleading and evasive ....; so many judges (some retired ) ,In about 12 courts and so many cases in each court every day. Probably each case gets few min only. Lordships have to assimilate or understand issue and issues.Humanly impossible to peruse through those hundreds of pages.As any person in that chair ,with so many contradictions and confusions ........,after briefly hearing those legal teams,.............case dismissed. Briefly the simple writ petition of rk pay of capt Dana..was -200 and +200 .yes he got relief and so ma y others. Case cannot be enlarged and carry on and on. Capt Dana and RDOA has done more than enough. Now it is for big guns and brains to do remaining . That is way I used comments that activity and a actions have to be on wide front by several individuals and GPS/associations. To be further pushed and derived. Let us accept that every issue cannot be resolved by judiciary - judgements may be simply reserved. Armed Forces ,both serving and retired have to put in efforts to derive their Rights. No body will come and give . Thanks to Dana.... And RDOA for what every body got incl several retd chiefs ,who were capt /Maj in 1986.At cocktails and other gatherings people shoun question as bow much arrears they received and have they even given a small fraction to RDOA .
@bala: "...Lordships have to assimilate or understand issue..."
I, for one, would like to believe the best judicial thinking has gone into the merits of the case.
Yes, it has taken a very long time. That is the way the judicial system works in our country. But at the end of the day, there is no reason to doubt the soundness of the reasoning, as briefly spelt out in the order.
A fuller analysis will follow, but if you have read the order, you won't have missed the fact that if a door has been closed, a window has been opened at the same time. It is for affected parties to look through the "window" for resolutions and assess options for the next course of action.
This time succes. Simply,my comment is- big guns and brains should purse further.Capt Dana and RDOA has done enough for retd officers inclu several chiefs who were Capt /Maj in1986 .they got pay arrears of about 500 cr.
@sunlit ,23 aug. Totally appreciated and roger . yeah, if door is closed -window is open. Optimistic .I feel ,Sunlit is one of intellectuals among us. My comment is only in pursuit of efforts to find resolution to several issues compounded as on today ,due to passivity ,evasion,denial ( incl self denials as a sort of sacrifices ,)..... by individals and institutions . Rk pay fauxpass - a look into historical records and events would bring out ,it was a self goal . Chiefs-Gens, sonderji ,Sharma vn and several others were a party ( or abetted ) and allowed that disparity and denial to officers of rk of subunit cdrs and below.25 yrs to remidy. partly only. Even now,situation is no different.In fact rk pay and orop are small issues when we look at lager scenario of issues & matters of AF - retd and in arms.
Touche !
ReplyDeletemmmm...it means previous order of the supreme court was wrong...
ReplyDeleteDear Sir,
ReplyDeleteWhat does the dismissal mean for us ? Does it mean that the Rank pay and arrears as decided by CDA is full and final ?
What about the hope of pay refixation etc ?
Regards
@authors of comments above, RDOA has placed the first person account on its blog.
ReplyDeleteThis was a long drawn battle. Whether or not the war is over would depend on stake holders. But it remains to be seen what the order of the Hon'ble Supreme Court has to say and what specific issues have been touched upon.
ReplyDeleteFrom the brief RDOA blog post one gets the impression only a revision of the pay-scales was subject of contempt petition and not the complete range of anomalies and infirmities that had been repeatedly stressed upon in the public domain in the period September 2012 till now.
Those affected may have to wait for some more time for a clearer understanding after details emerge.
I haven't understood the implications
ReplyDelete@satya sajja : Order of the Hon'ble Supreme Court is now available.
DeleteThe final orders are very brief & we cant make about any thing since we dont have access to the contempt petition
DeleteHow ever from what i understood the main issue was 6 th pay commission revision of scales on which no light has been thrown in the order
Can i call the order as a very "chaddi" order (sorry for being crude but could not help using the hindi phrase for brief)
"...main issue was 6 th pay commission revision.."
DeleteIt would break the hearts of all fans of RDOA blog to be brought face to face with the old saying about night long recitations of the Ramayana.
Still, the judgment has been delivered. Unless commentators make the effort of applying for copies of case files, we could expect more interesting interpretations of what stake holders thought the 8 year old saga was about.
@interesting interpretations .We do hope that we do have God almighty amongst the so called RDOA fans who will show us the enlightened path & make the most interesting revelations about the case.We are indeed praying for the enlightenment from the God almighty & we are steeling ourselves so that our heart is not broken :)
DeleteCan any one give the reason for removing the RDOA post about the dismissal of contempt petition by the Honorable;e SC,in its site http://rdoaindia.blogspot.in/
ReplyDeleteThe contact address and links to other RDOA updates could be found on this web page https://sites.google.com/site/rdoaindia/Home.
DeleteDismissed ! Anticipated ,as it was dragged for years with so many adjourunaments- 100pages of affidavits ,misleading and evasive ....; so many judges (some retired ) ,In about 12 courts and so many cases in each court every day. Probably each case gets few min only. Lordships have to assimilate or understand issue and issues.Humanly impossible to peruse through those hundreds of pages.As any person in that chair ,with so many contradictions and confusions ........,after briefly hearing those legal teams,.............case dismissed.
ReplyDeleteBriefly the simple writ petition of rk pay of capt Dana..was -200 and +200 .yes he got relief and so ma y others.
Case cannot be enlarged and carry on and on.
Capt Dana and RDOA has done more than enough. Now it is for big guns and brains to do remaining .
That is way I used comments that activity and a actions have to be on wide front by several individuals and GPS/associations.
To be further pushed and derived.
Let us accept that every issue cannot be resolved by judiciary - judgements may be simply reserved.
Armed Forces ,both serving and retired have to put in efforts to derive their Rights. No body will come and give .
Thanks to Dana.... And RDOA for what every body got incl several retd chiefs ,who were capt /Maj in 1986.At cocktails and other gatherings people shoun question as bow much arrears they received and have they even given a small fraction to RDOA .
@bala: "...Lordships have to assimilate or understand issue..."
DeleteI, for one, would like to believe the best judicial thinking has gone into the merits of the case.
Yes, it has taken a very long time. That is the way the judicial system works in our country. But at the end of the day, there is no reason to doubt the soundness of the reasoning, as briefly spelt out in the order.
A fuller analysis will follow, but if you have read the order, you won't have missed the fact that if a door has been closed, a window has been opened at the same time. It is for affected parties to look through the "window" for resolutions and assess options for the next course of action.
This time succes. Simply,my comment is- big guns and brains should purse further.Capt Dana and RDOA has done enough for retd officers inclu several chiefs who were Capt /Maj in1986 .they got pay arrears of about 500 cr.
ReplyDeletehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4nh44JXnjeIR2VWUi1NT2pEcXM/view
ReplyDelete@ANIL KUMAR SINGH: That is a link to the same document I'd provided five days ago in this previous comment.
Delete@sunlit ,23 aug.
ReplyDeleteTotally appreciated and roger . yeah, if door is closed -window is open. Optimistic .I feel ,Sunlit is one of intellectuals among us.
My comment is only in pursuit of efforts to find resolution to several issues compounded as on today ,due to passivity ,evasion,denial ( incl self denials as a sort of sacrifices ,)..... by individals and institutions .
Rk pay fauxpass - a look into historical records and events would bring out ,it was a self goal . Chiefs-Gens, sonderji ,Sharma vn and several others were a party ( or abetted ) and allowed that disparity and denial to officers of rk of subunit cdrs and below.25 yrs to remidy. partly only.
Even now,situation is no different.In fact rk pay and orop are small issues when we look at lager scenario of issues & matters of AF - retd and in arms.