In pursuit of Truth on behalf of Family Pensioners and Veterans for the sacrifices made by them in the service of the Nation
Friday, 8 April 2016
33 Years required for Pension clause deleted
33 years service required for pension clause deleted for pre-1.1.2006 retirees. Please download from DP & PW website and approach your Banks for necessary action.
Sir, PCDA Pensions has issued Circular No: C-149 dated 08/04/2016 for Revision of pension of Pre-2006 pensioners.Would this suffice for all defence pensioners or is it only applicable for Civilian defence pensioners?
Naren, Its a clear NO. The circular C-149 is applicable only to defence civilians. This is clear from the fact that the letters under reference quoted in the circular are different from that of ESM. I dont think GOI cannot issue any letter in this regard as case is in the apex court. I am one of the litigants of MGP where many of us have won the cases in AFTs. GOI preferred to challenge it in SC and has not come for hearing. GOI has to withdraw the case or SC has to give a favourable decision in our favour. Regards Wg Cdr KG Rao( retd) 9880595704
This is the REPLY from JS, DESW. May be in about 10 days, the letter will be issued & PCDA will come out with the Circular giving the Tables for the fixation of pension immediately after that.
REPLY From: K Damayanthi To: Diwan Singh Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:40 PM Subject: Re: The latest OM dated 06.04.2016 issued by DOPT on delinking 33 years of service for full pension
we have initiated the process. we will do at the earliest.
Why sir? Average was worked out as X/33 into number of officers i.e lowest of 26/33 and highest for 26/33. So if pension was 33000 for 33 years, one got 26/33 x 33000. Now isn't it is 26 not divided by 33?
Sir, as OROP is based on pensions of veterans who retired in 2013, removal of pro rata reduction will not have an effect on OROP pensions. There was no pro rata reduction after 01 January 2006.
It should affect pensions for the period 01 Jan 2006 to Jun 2014 for only those pre 2006 retirees had less service than 33 years with weightages added.
This has nothing to do with the OROP Table. What you will get is the difference in Pension as it existed on 24 Sept 2012 and the New Fixation without applying the 33 Yr Rule.
All that one has to see is that, at the time of your retirement, with the weightage added, does your Weighted Factor come to less than 100. For eg. A Col who retired with 26 yrs or more service will not get any benefit. Where as a Col say with 22 yrs of service who took PMR would get it as his pension was reduced by =(22+7)/33 = 29/33 = 87.88%. Where as the full pension as per PCDA Circular 500 was 27795, he would have got only 27795*87.88% = 24426.
Accordingly you can check. This order will basically benefit all Lt Cols who retired with less than 26 yrs or less Service and Cols with 25 yrs or less service.
Has this got any relevance to officers? If so, kindly give an example of a Major, a Lt Col, a Col drawing pensions at 22 years QS based on the current OROP tables of the PCDA (P) Circular 555.
The removal of pro rata reduction will increase the pension of an officer retired in 2013. As the OROP Circular 555 is based on the averages in that year, certainly an amendment must result to Circular 555. Am I correct sir.
You are wrong, Sir. Pension of an officer retiring after 1.1.2006 is not subject to the 33 years clause. Therefore, it will not increase any pension from what is being paid subject to the officer having completed 20 years of QS from 1.1.2006.
Sir, the Circular 555 should also require correction, in that all those irrelevant 101 charts must go and scales for all officers must be same as that of the scales indicated to 33 years QS for each rank.
Isn't pension 50% of what your total emoluments were? How can all pensions be as for 33 years QS? If your total emoluments were Rs 20, 000 at 20 years, shouldn't your pension now be Rs 10, 000 and not 20/33 x Rs. 10000 or Rs 6060; similarly, if X's total emoluments were Rs 25000 at 25 years of QS, his pension will now be Rs 12, 500 and not Rs 12, 500 x 25/33or Rs 9469 etc etc.
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Just an example: A Col with 24 years of service drawing Rs 23432 with weightage of 5 years will draw the pension of Rs 26620 drawn by an officer of the same rank with 33 years of service.
Sir, is this data from Circular 500? The pension of a Col/Col(TS), retiring before 01 Jan 2006, with 24 years of QS from 01 Jan 2006 was fixed at Rs.26111/- (inclusive of rank weightage) in that circular.
The understanding appears to be this had been arrived at with pro-rata reduction.
Now with pro-rata reduction gone, won't the pension be fixed at Rs. 27795/- (for the period Jan 2006 to June 2014) which was fixed in circular 500 for Col/Col(TS) retiring, before 2006, at QS of 30 and above?
This will apply to pensions from 01 Jan 2006 to June 2014 of Col/Col(TS), who retired before 01 Jan 2006, with service from 20 years (pensionable service) and above, i.e. all pre 01 Jan 2006 Col/Col(TS) retirees will draw pension at 27795/- from 01 Jan 2006 to June 2014.
Who will Benefit? A Lt Col (TS) with weightage of 5, if he has less than 28 yrs service. A Lt Col (SG) with weightage of 7, if he has less than 26 Yrs Service A Col (TS & SG)with weightage of 7, if he has less than 26 yrs service.
THIS ARREARS DUE TO YOU WILL BE BASED on PCDA Circular 500 and Pension without weightage. It is unlikely MOD will make any changes to the PCDA 500 Table, which in effect means that, virtually every one from 20 to 33 yrs service will be fixed at the same Basic Pension.
For Eg. Let's say what's that you will get as a Lt Col (TS), Lt Col (SG) or Col (SG), for working purpose, they all retired with 22 Yrs Service and Col (TS) retired with 26 Yrs Service.
The Arrears will be as under: - 1. Lt Col (TS) : 26265 - 21490. 2. Lt Col (SG) : 26265 - 23082. 3. Col (SG) : 27795 - 24426. 4. Col (TS) : 27795 - 27795 = NIL.
As you can see, the major beneficiaries will be those who retired pretty early with just about 20+ yrs service.
But it is a matter of concern that DESW is sitting on it.l am pretty sure the civilian babus controlling DESW must be searching for reasons to deny us our due.
Sir,
ReplyDeletePlease accept my Ugadi greetings.
The Govt letter on doing away with pro-rata reduction of pensions of pre 2006 veterans can be accessed by readers of this blog through this link.
But, for defence veterans, a circular would probably have to be issued by PCDA before they get the benefit.
Best regards.
May be like Circulars 547 and 548?
DeleteSir, PCDA Pensions has issued Circular No: C-149 dated 08/04/2016 for Revision of pension of Pre-2006 pensioners.Would this suffice for all defence pensioners or is it only applicable for Civilian defence pensioners?
DeleteNaren,
DeleteIts a clear NO. The circular C-149 is applicable only to defence civilians. This is clear from the fact that the letters under reference quoted in the circular are different from that of ESM.
I dont think GOI cannot issue any letter in this regard as case is in the apex court. I am one of the litigants of MGP where many of us have won the cases in AFTs. GOI preferred to challenge it in SC and has not come for hearing. GOI has to withdraw the case or SC has to give a favourable decision in our favour.
Regards
Wg Cdr KG Rao( retd)
9880595704
This is the REPLY from JS, DESW. May be in about 10 days, the letter will be issued & PCDA will come out with the Circular giving the Tables for the fixation of pension immediately after that.
DeleteREPLY
From: K Damayanthi
To: Diwan Singh
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: The latest OM dated 06.04.2016 issued by DOPT on delinking 33 years of service for full pension
we have initiated the process. we will do at the earliest.
It does not affect those in receipt of OROP which takes into consideration the service of the retiree while working out the average.
ReplyDeleteWhy sir? Average was worked out as X/33 into number of officers i.e lowest of 26/33 and highest for 26/33. So if pension was 33000 for 33 years, one got 26/33 x 33000. Now isn't it is 26 not divided by 33?
ReplyDeleteSir, as OROP is based on pensions of veterans who retired in 2013, removal of pro rata reduction will not have an effect on OROP pensions. There was no pro rata reduction after 01 January 2006.
DeleteIt should affect pensions for the period 01 Jan 2006 to Jun 2014 for only those pre 2006 retirees had less service than 33 years with weightages added.
Sir, again OROP table will have to be revised? I wonder.
ReplyDeleteHappy Ugadi to all.
This has nothing to do with the OROP Table. What you will get is the difference in Pension as it existed on 24 Sept 2012 and the New Fixation without applying the 33 Yr Rule.
DeleteAll that one has to see is that, at the time of your retirement, with the weightage added, does your Weighted Factor come to less than 100. For eg. A Col who retired with 26 yrs or more service will not get any benefit. Where as a Col say with 22 yrs of service who took PMR would get it as his pension was reduced by =(22+7)/33 = 29/33 = 87.88%. Where as the full pension as per PCDA Circular 500 was 27795, he would have got only 27795*87.88% = 24426.
ReplyDeleteAccordingly you can check. This order will basically benefit all Lt Cols who retired with less than 26 yrs or less Service and Cols with 25 yrs or less service.
Has this got any relevance to officers? If so, kindly give an example of a Major, a Lt Col, a Col drawing pensions at 22 years QS based on the current OROP tables of the PCDA (P) Circular 555.
ReplyDeleteWhat does removal of pro rata reduction affecting non-OROP pensions have to do with circular 555 on OROP?
DeleteCircular 500 will get affected.
Please read my previous comment.
The removal of pro rata reduction will increase the pension of an officer retired in 2013. As the OROP Circular 555 is based on the averages in that year, certainly an amendment must result to Circular 555. Am I correct sir.
DeleteYou are wrong, Sir. Pension of an officer retiring after 1.1.2006 is not subject to the 33 years clause. Therefore, it will not increase any pension from what is being paid subject to the officer having completed 20 years of QS from 1.1.2006.
DeleteSir, the Circular 555 should also require correction, in that all those irrelevant 101 charts must go and scales for all officers must be same as that of the scales indicated to 33 years QS for each rank.
DeleteIsn't pension 50% of what your total emoluments were? How can all pensions be as for 33 years QS? If your total emoluments were Rs 20, 000 at 20 years, shouldn't your pension now be Rs 10, 000 and not 20/33 x Rs. 10000 or Rs 6060; similarly, if X's total emoluments were Rs 25000 at 25 years of QS, his pension will now be Rs 12, 500 and not Rs 12, 500 x 25/33or Rs 9469 etc etc.
DeletePlease find the download instructions for an excel calculator for calculating your arrears in the page http://blog.coolfauzi.com/Blog.aspx?entrYID=3
ReplyDeleteI am glad to inform you all that the blog software of coolFauzi.com with rich text ,youtube video & other features has been developed by self for the betterment of the Indian Armed forces & any one can publish their articles/videos/stories/poems/pictures etc for a nominal fee whose details would be published on the blog by 30 Apr 2016
Just an example: A Col with 24 years of service drawing Rs 23432 with weightage of 5 years will draw the pension of Rs 26620 drawn by an officer of the same rank with 33 years of service.
ReplyDeleteSir, is this data from Circular 500? The pension of a Col/Col(TS), retiring before 01 Jan 2006, with 24 years of QS from 01 Jan 2006 was fixed at Rs.26111/- (inclusive of rank weightage) in that circular.
DeleteThe understanding appears to be this had been arrived at with pro-rata reduction.
Now with pro-rata reduction gone, won't the pension be fixed at Rs. 27795/- (for the period Jan 2006 to June 2014) which was fixed in circular 500 for Col/Col(TS) retiring, before 2006, at QS of 30 and above?
This will apply to pensions from 01 Jan 2006 to June 2014 of Col/Col(TS), who retired before 01 Jan 2006, with service from 20 years (pensionable service) and above, i.e. all pre 01 Jan 2006 Col/Col(TS) retirees will draw pension at 27795/- from 01 Jan 2006 to June 2014.
Sir, It is just an example/illustration.
DeleteIt is not taken from any figures/amounts from the ibid Circulars.
Please APPLY a simple THUMP RULE.
DeleteWho will Benefit?
A Lt Col (TS) with weightage of 5, if he has less than 28 yrs service.
A Lt Col (SG) with weightage of 7, if he has less than 26 Yrs Service
A Col (TS & SG)with weightage of 7, if he has less than 26 yrs service.
THIS ARREARS DUE TO YOU WILL BE BASED on PCDA Circular 500 and Pension without weightage. It is unlikely MOD will make any changes to the PCDA 500 Table, which in effect means that, virtually every one from 20 to 33 yrs service will be fixed at the same Basic Pension.
For Eg. Let's say what's that you will get as a Lt Col (TS), Lt Col (SG) or Col (SG), for working purpose, they all retired with 22 Yrs Service and Col (TS) retired with 26 Yrs Service.
The Arrears will be as under: -
1. Lt Col (TS) : 26265 - 21490.
2. Lt Col (SG) : 26265 - 23082.
3. Col (SG) : 27795 - 24426.
4. Col (TS) : 27795 - 27795 = NIL.
As you can see, the major beneficiaries will be those who retired pretty early with just about 20+ yrs service.
But it is a matter of concern that DESW is sitting on it.l am pretty sure the civilian babus controlling DESW must be searching for reasons to deny us our due.
ReplyDelete