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Tuesday, 5 September 2017

Will Pension Concordance Tables for Armed Forces look something like this? Updated

Guesswork Concordance Tables

CAUTION:

1. These tables may not be used in correspondence with any Public Authority such as MoD, CGDA, MoF etc.

2. Please do not quote or use as a basis for any litigation/complaint/grievance.

3. These are Basic Pay & Pension (minus DA/DR) figures just to give an idea based on figures available in SAI/SNI/SAFI based on Govt approved recommendations of 4^th, 5^th, 6^th and 7^th Pay Commissions

4. Please refer to Paras 4 and 5.1 of MoD letter No. 17 (01)/2017/(02)/D (Pension/Policy) dated 5^th September 2017 for the correct procedure and Pension Concordance Tables in F No. 38 (37)/2016- P & PW (A) dated 6^th July 2017 for the format.

5. Please also see respective tables in the concordance tables for civilians.

Capt/Lt/Flt Lt
Component	4^th Pay	4^th Pension	5^th Pay	5^th Pension	6^th Basic	6^th Pay	6^th Pension	7 CPC Basic	Pension	Family Pension
Rk Pay/ Grade Pay/ MSP	200		400		6100/6000			15500
1	3000	1500	10000	5000	18600	30700	15350	61300	38400		23000
2	3100	1550	10300	5150	19350	31450	15725	63100	39300		23600
3	3200	1600	10600	5300	20120	32220	16110	65000	40300		24200
4	3300	1650	10900	5450	20910	33010	16505	67000	41300		24800
5	3400	1700	11200	5600	21730	33830	16915	69000	42300		25400
6	3500	1750	11500	5750	22570	34670	17335	71100	43300		26000
7	3600	1800	11800	5900	23440	35540	17770	73200	44400		26600
8	3700	1850	12100	6050	24330	36430	18215	75400	45500		27300
9	3800	1900	12400	6200	25250	37350	18675	77700	46600		28000
10	3900	1950	12700	6350	26200	38300	19150	80000	47800		28700
11	4000	2000	13000	6500	27170	39270	19635	82400	49000		29400
12	4100	2050	13300	6650	28170	40270	20135	84900	50200		30100
13	4200	2100	13600	6800	29200	41300	20650	87400	51500		30900
14	4300	2150	13900	6950	30260	42360	21180	90000	52800		31700
15	4400	2200	14200	7100	31360	43460	21730	92700	54100		32500
16	4500	2250	14500	7250	32490	44590	22295	95500	55500		33300
17	4600	2300	14800	7400	33650	45750	22875	98400	57000		34200
18	4700	2350			34850	46950	23475	101400	58500		35100
19	4800	2400			36080	48180	24090	104400	60000		36000
20	4900	2450			37350	49450	24725	107500	61500		36900
21	5000	2500						110700	63100		37900
22	5100	2550						114000	64800		38900
23	5200	2600						117400	66500		39900
24	5300	2650						120900	68200		40900
25								124500	70000		42000
26								128200	71900		43100
27								132000	73800		44300
28								136000	75800		45500
29								140100	77800		46700
30								144300	79900		47900
31								148600	82100		49200
32								153100	84300		50600
33								157700	86600		52000
34								162400	89000		53400
35								167300	91400		54800
36								172300	93900		56300
37								177500	96500		57900
38								182800	99200		59500
39								188300	101900		61100
40								193900	104700		62800

Maj/Lt Cdr/Sqn Ldr
Component	4th Pay	4th Pension	5th Pay	5th Pension	6th Basic	6th Pay	6th Pension	7 CPC Basic	Pension	Family Pension
Rk Pay/Grade Pay/ MSP	600		1200		6600/6000			15500
1	4000	2000	12800	6400	23810	36410	18205	69400	42500	25500
2	4100	2050	13125	6563	24730	37330	18665	71500	43500	26100
3	4200	2100	13450	6725	25670	38270	19135	73600	44600	26700
4	4300	2150	13775	6888	26640	39240	19620	75800	45700	27400
5	4400	2200	14100	7050	27640	40240	20120	78100	46800	28100
6	4500	2250	14425	7213	28670	41270	20635	80400	48000	28800
7	4600	2300	14750	7375	29730	42330	21165	82800	49200	29500
8	4700	2350	15075	7538	30820	43420	21710	85300	50400	30200
9	4800	2400	15400	7700	31950	44550	22275	87900	51700	31000
10	4900	2450	15725	7863	33110	45710	22855	90500	53000	31800
11	5000	2500	16050	8025	34310	46910	23455	93200	54400	32600
12	5100	2550			35540	48140	24070	96000	55800	33500
13	5200	2600			36810	49410	24705	98900	57200	34300
14	5300	2650			38120	50720	25360	101900	58700	35200
15	5400	2700			39470	52070	26035	105000	60300	36200
16	5500	2750			40860	53460	26730	108200	61900	37100
17	5600	2800			42290	54890	27445	111400	63500	38100
18	5700	2850			43760	56360	28180	114700	65100	39100
19					45280	57880	28940	118100	66800	40100
20					46840	59440	29720	121600	68600	41100
21								125200	70400	42200
22								129000	72300	43400
23								132900	74200	44500
24								136900	76200	45700
25								141000	78300	47000
26								145200	80400	48200
27								149600	82600	49500
28								154100	84800	50900
29								158700	87100	52300
30								163500	89500	53700
31								168400	92000	55200
32								173500	94500	56700
33								178700	97100	58300
34								184100	99800	59900
35								189600	102600	61500
36								195300	105400	63200
37								201200	108400	65000
38								207200	111400	66800

Lt Col/Cdr/Wg Cdr
Component	4^th Pay	4^th Pension	5^th Pay	5^th Pension	6^th Basic	6^th Pay	6^th Pension	7 CPC Basic	7^th Pension	Family Pension
Rk Pay/ Grade Pay/ MSP	800		1600		8000/6000			15500
1	4700	2350	15100	7550	38530	52530	26265	121200	68400	41000
2	4800	2400	15500	7750	39930	53930	26965	124800	70200	42100
3	4900	2450	15900	7950	41370	55370	27685	128500	72000	43200
4	5000	2500	16300	8150	42860	56860	28430	132400	74000	44400
5	5100	2550	16700	8350	44390	58390	29195	136400	76000	45600
6	5200	2600	17100	8550	45970	59970	29985	140500	78000	46800
7	5300	2650	17500	8750	47590	61590	30795	144700	80100	48100
8	5400	2700	17900	8950	49260	63260	31630	149000	82300	49400
9	5500	2750	18300	9150	50980	64980	32490	153500	84500	50700
10	5600	2800	18700	9350	52750	66750	33375	158100	86800	52100
11	5700	2850			54580	68580	34290	162800	89200	53500
12	5800	2900			56460	70460	35230	167700	91600	55000
13	5900	2950			58400	72400	36200	172700	94100	56500
14					60400	74400	37200	177900	96700	58000
15					62460	76460	38230	183200	99400	59600
16					64580	78580	39290	188700	102100	61300
17					66760	80760	40380	194400	105000	63000
18					69010	83010	41500	200200	107900	64700
19								206200	110900	66500
20								212400	114000	68400

Col/Capt/Gp Capt
Component	4th Pay	4th Pension	5th Pay	5th Pension	6th Basic	6th Pay	6th Pension	7 CPC Basic	7th Pension	Family Pension
Rk Pay/ Grade Pay/ MSP	1000		2000		8700/6000			15500
1	5500	2750	17000	8500	40890	55590	27795	130600	73100	43800
2	5600	2800	17450	8725	42380	57080	28540	134500	75000	45000
3	5700	2850	17900	8950	43920	58620	29310	138500	77000	46200
4	5800	2900	18350	9175	45500	60200	30100	142700	79100	47500
5	5900	2950	18800	9400	47130	61830	30915	147000	81300	48800
6	6000	3000	19250	9625	48810	63510	31755	151400	83500	50100
7	6100	3050	19700	9850	50540	65240	32620	155900	85700	51400
8	6200	3100	20150	10075	52320	67020	33510	160600	88100	52800
9	6300	3150	20600	10300	54160	68860	34430	165400	90500	54300
10	6400	3200	21050	10525	56050	70750	35375	170400	93000	55800
11	6500	3250			58000	72700	36350	175500	95500	57300
12	6600	3300			60010	74710	37355	180800	98200	58900
13	6700	3350			62080	76780	38390	186200	100900	60500
14					64210	78910	39455	191800	103700	62200
15					66400	81100	40550	197600	106600	63900
16					68660	83360	40850	203500	109500	65700
17					70990	85690	40850	209600	112600	67500
18					73390	88090	40850	215900	115700	69400

Brig/Cmde/Air Cmde
Component	4th Pay	4th Pension	5th Pay	5th Pension	6th Basic	6th Pay	6th Pension	7 CPC Basic	7th Pension	Family Pension
Rk Pay/ Grade Pay/ MSP	1200		2400		8900/6000			15500
1	6150	3075	19100	9550	43390	58290	29145	139600	77600	46500
2	6300	3150	19550	9775	44960	59860	29930	143800	79700	47800
3	6450	3225	20000	10000	46580	61480	30740	148100	81800	49100
4	6600	3300	20450	10225	48250	63150	31575	152500	84000	50400
5	6750	3375	20900	10450	49970	64870	32435	157100	86300	51800
6	6900	3450	21350	10675	51740	66640	33320	161800	88700	53200
7	7050	3525	21800	10900	53560	68460	34230	166700	91100	54700
8	7200	3600	22250	11125	55440	70340	35170	171700	93600	56200
9	7350	3675	22700	11350	57380	72280	36140	176900	96200	57700
10			23150	11575	59370	74270	37135	182200	98900	59300
11					61420	76320	38160	187700	101600	61000
12					63530	78430	39215	193300	104400	62600
13					65710	80610	40305	199100	107300	64400
14					67950	82850	40950	205100	110300	66200
15					70260	85160	40950	211300	113400	68000
16					72640	87540	40950	217600	116600	69900

Maj Gen/R Adm/AVM
Component	4th Pay	4th Pension	5th Pay	5th Pension	6th Basic	6th Pay	6th Pension	7 CPC Basic	7th Pension	Family Pension
Rk Pay/ Grade Pay/ MSP	Nil		Nil		10000/Nil			15500
1	5900	2950	18400	9200	50700	60700	30350	144200	72100	43300
2	6100	3050	18900	9450	52530	62530	31265	148500	74300	44600
3	6300	3150	19400	9700	54410	64410	32205	153000	76500	45900
4	6500	3250	19900	9950	56350	66350	33175	157600	78800	47300
5	6700	3350	20400	10200	58350	68350	34175	162300	81200	48700
6	6850	3425	20900	10450	60410	70410	35205	167200	83600	50200
7	7000	3500	21400	10700	62530	72530	36265	172200	86100	51700
8	7150	3575	21900	10950	64710	74710	37355	177400	88700	53200
9	7300	3650	22400	11200	66960	76960	38480	182700	91400	54800
10					69270	79270	38500	188200	94100	56500
11					71650	81650	38500	193800	96900	58100
12					74100	84100	38500	199600	99800	59900
13					76630	86630	38500	205600	102800	61700
14					79230	89230	38500	211800	105900	63500
15					81910	91910	38500	218200	109100	65500

Lt Gen/V Adm/AM
Component	4^th Pay	4^th Pension	5^th Pay	5^th Pension	6^th Basic	6^th Pay	6^th Pension	7 CPC Basic	7^th Pension	Family Pension
Rk Pay/Grade Pay/ MSP	Nil		Nil		Nil			Nil
1	7300	3650	22400	11200	69000	69000	34500	182200	91100	54700
2	7400	3700	22950	11475	71070	71070	35535	187700	93900	56300
3	7500	3750	23500	11750	73210	73210	36605	193300	96700	58000
4	7600	3800	24050	12025	75410	75410	37705	199100	99600	59700
5	7700	3850	24600	12300	77680	77680	38840	205100	102600	61500
6	7800	3900	25150	12575	80020	80020	39500	211300	105700	63400
7	7900	3950	25700	12850	82430	82430	39500	217600	108800	65300
8	8000	4000	26250	13125	84910	84910	39500	224100	112100	67200

Lt Gen/V Adm/AM : HAG+
Component	4th Pay	4th Pension	5th Pay	5th Pension	6th Basic	6th Pay	6th Pension	7 CPC Basic	7th Pension	Family Pension
Rk Pay/Grade Pay/ MSP	Nil		Nil		Nil			Nil
1					75500	75500	37750	205400	102700	61600
2					77770	77770	38885	211600	105800	63500
3					80110	80110	40000	217900	109000	65400
4					82520	82520	40000	224400	112200	67300

Vice Chiefs/Army/Navy/Air Force Commanders-in-Chief

Component

4th Pay

4th Pension

5th Pay

5th Pension

6th Basic

6th Pay

6th Pension

7 CPC Basic

7th Pension

Family Pension

Rk Pay/Grade Pay/ MSP

Nil

8000

4000

26000

13000

80000

40000

225000

125000

67500

20 comments:

Unknown6 September 2017 at 19:01
Relating information in a previous post that Lt Col, Col, Brig are getting more pension (in excess of Rs 40000) than even Army Cdr as on 31.12.2015, will the concordance tables reflect truth? Will that result in higher pensions than shown in Circular 555? Please elucidate.
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Anonymous8 September 2017 at 06:00
Sir,
Thanks a lot. The tables are very explanatory.
I have a query for you to consider.
In the MoD Ltr you quoted at Para 4 above, an illustration is given at Annexure 1(Commissioned Officers). In that a Brig.’s (Equi) , (who retired during 6 CPC regime,) case with PIPB ( Pay in the Pay Band) of Rs.63150/- with GP of Rs. 8900/- and MSP of Rs.6000/- was given (at Ser.No.5). who retired on 31/05/2014(at Ser.No.1). The Corresponding Notional PIPM (Pay in the Pay Matrix) on 01/01/2016 was given as 187700/-( at Ser. No. 14).
But in the tables provided by you, the Pay in Pay Band (PIPB) for Brig.(Equi), at Ser. No. 11(Stage 11.) there in is 61420/- and at Sr.No.12(Stage 12), it is 63530/-.
There is no PIPB of 63150/- in the Tables provided by you.
You had progressed the Pay in Pay Band (PIPB), of Brig.(Equi), starting from 58290/- which is the start in SAI 2/S/08 whereas the illustrated case in the Mod Ltr of 05 Sep 2017, referred at Para 4. Above, seems to have progressed the Pay in Pay Band(PIPB) from a different starting point, probably considering that the Brig.(Equi) had laterally entered the rank of Brig. after the commencement of 6CPC Regime. That is after 01/01/2006.
The query, therefore is, will there be separate Tables for those who entered their final Retirement Rank, in the 6CPC, laterally, that is after the commencement of 6CPC?
With kind regards.
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Aerial View8 September 2017 at 09:34
Sir,

The Guesswork tables are just that - Guesswork. Not being familiar with Excel (mine is Office 2003), I have not probably rounded off to the nearest or next multiple.

Secondly, I have taken the minimum pay from the table in Circular 568 (Min Guaranteed Pension).

Thirdly, there would be officers in each rank transiting from the 5th to 6th CPC with rank. All such officers were given one increment in the fixation.

Maybe the illustration takes the start from the Pay Matrix which started lower without adding the one increment!

As for you final query - may be!
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Anonymous8 September 2017 at 16:44
Dear Sir,
For Air Cmde, the max pay during the 4th CPC regime was Rs 5100 + Rs 1200 = Rs 6300. May be we can add two stagnation increments. So it comes to Rs 6600. But the table shows max pay as 8100 at row no. 14.
Kindly amend the table.
Veteran Wg Cdr Arvind Kumar
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Col Didar Singh Hoonjan8 September 2017 at 21:10
With due respect Sir you have accomplished a herculean task. This table will not have any major deviation but simplified the approach from pre 1986 0nwards in a table. warm regards
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Anonymous8 September 2017 at 22:47
Sir, these are very interesting tables indeed. From the tables in the blog post it appears that for a Wg Cdr who retired with a BP of 17900/- during regime of V CPC with a service of app 29 years (revised BP after RP resolution), before implementation of Phase I recommendations of AV Singh Committee, would have a 7 CPC notional pay of 149000/- which, as per the matrix is the basic pay of a current Lt Col with a QS of approximately 21 years.

The OROPx2.57 pension currently applicable to the same rank and and QS combination is slightly better as it corresponds to a 7 CPC pay of approximately 156800/161500 which would be the pay of a 7CPC Lt Col with a QS of 23 to 24 years, still short of QS of the V CPC retirees by about 6 years.

I had tried to make a QS based comparison in this blog post.
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Young509 September 2017 at 09:39
Sir,
Thanks for the effort put in by you in explaining everything so clear. I guess the pension does include commutable amount as it appears on the penultimate column. Some offrs have said that by multiplying the pension drawn as on 31.12.2015 by 2.57, has taken their total pension amount much higher than those retired in the same rank post-1.1.2016. If that be so, then this is a real anomaly and the concept of OROP which the Govt has claimed to have implemented falls flat on the face.It is besides the point that higher levels getting lower pension than the levels of Lt Col and Col. Can you please throw some light on this ?
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Anonymous11 September 2017 at 17:24
Sir,
The GOI Letter F. No. 38/37/2016-P&PW(A) Dated 5th July, 2017
Of Department of Pension & Pensioners' Welfare, under Ministry of Personnel, P.G. and Pensions provided Concordance Tables for Civil Officers .
At Para 2. The letter says, “ 2. It was also provided that the revision of pension will be done by notional
pay fixation under each intervening Pay Commission based on the formula for
revision of pay. Based on the fitment tables provided by the Department of
Expenditure, concordance tables for fixation of notional pay and pension / family
pension of employees who retired/died in various grades during the 4th, 5th and
5th Pay Commission periods have been prepared and the same are enclosed
herewith.”
In the MoD letter No 17(OI)/2017(02)/D(Pen/Policy) dated s" September 2017)
It says the same as, “ 4. The aforesaid Committee has submitted its report and the recommendations
made by the Committee have been considered by the Government. Accordingly, it
has been decided that revised pension/ family pension of all Armed Forces
Personnel who retired/ died prior to 1.1.2016, shall be revised by notionally fixing
their pay in the pay matrix recommended by the 7th CPC in the level corresponding
to the pay in the pay scale/ pay band and grade pay at which they retired/ died.
This will be done by notional pay fixation under each intervening Pay Commission
based on the formula for revision of pay.
In the concordance Tables the method of Pay Fixation has been the same as given in the illustrations, at Page 9 of the MoD Letter.
Even five increments in IV CPC, did not earn one increment in V CPC( I referred to Table 43 of the Concordance Tables).
In the MoD Illustration at Page 9 too, the Col. Who retired in IV CPC Regime, with five increments, was fixed at the start of the Pay Scale, in VCPC Regime at 15100/-.
From the above it appears that ‘fixing’ and ‘Refixing’ at each CPC Regime, will ultimately take the Pay in the Pay Scale to the ‘Minimum of Pay in the Pay Scale’.
But while mapping the VCPC Pay into the Pay Band of VI CPC , three increments were given to the Col. In the Illustration at page 9 of the Mod Letter. No explanation is given in the illustration, as to how the Pay in the Pay scale of 15100/- was equated to a Pay in the Pay Band of 40800/- .
It appears that some ‘lost’ pay in the previous CPC Regimes was regained while ‘refixing’ in the Pay in Pay Band of VI CPC.
One feature in the Concordance Tables for Civilian Pay, which was not explained anywhere, is the consideration of Minimum and Maximum Pays of retirees, in the VI CPC Regime, and then ‘refixing’ of past retirees at the Maximum. This is akin to the OROP. But the in the OROP it was the average of Minimum and Maximum., that the past retirees got.
The MoD Letter of 05 Sep 2017, does not talk of considering the ‘Minimum’ and ‘Maximum’ pays of Retirees in the VI CPC Regime.
‘First Formulation ( Option-1)”, may be , therefore lesser than the OROP pensions of Circular 555., as modified by Circular 570.
Penmil
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Aerial View11 September 2017 at 17:43
Please see Annexure I to SAI 3/S/2008 regarding transition from 5th CPC to 6th CPC. For your convenience it is in the next post as I do not know how to keep the tabular form in this reply.
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Anonymous11 September 2017 at 19:09
Sir,
Thanks.
much grateful for the prompt answer.
With kind regards
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