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CGDA Calculations Pay of Colonel and Brigadier and equivalents (non AMC/ADC/RVC)
CGDA Calculations Pay of Colonel and Brigadier and equivalents (non AMC/ADC/RVC)
RTI Request CGDFA/R/2017/50707
On MoD F No. 1 (43)/2008/D
(P/S), while vetting the draft Special Army Instruction No. 2/S/2008, Director
(IC), Deptt of Expenditure, MoF has observed at Note 10, inter alia, that MoD
may take a view whether in Para 10 (b), the maximum reached in PB-4 needs to
include MSP as well, otherwise at the maximum of the Pay Band in future
Colonels and Brigadiers would draw more pay/pension than Lt Generals and Army
Commanders i.e. a pay of Rs 67000 plus 8700 plus 6000 equal to Rs 81700 in case
of Colonels and Rs 81900 in case of Brigadiers.
2. However Dy CGDA (AT) vide UO No. AT/1/1496-II dated
20.10.2008 has dismissed such a possibility stating, inter alia, that in all
probability they are likely to be promoted to higher rank or retire on attaining
the age of superannuation.
3. In replies to CGDFA/R/2017/50280, various Pay and Pension
authorities such as PCDA (O), Pune vide LW/SS/AT/RTI/45/Vol-V dated 29.8.2017,
PCDA (N) vide AN/I/LC/RTI/Corr/Vol-XXIV dated 25.09.2017, and AFCAO vide Air HQ/23401/204/4/12206/E/PS
dated 20.09.2017 have confirmed that several hundred non-AMC/ADC/RVC officers
are indeed drawing more pay and pension as on 31.12.2015 compared to Lt Gens
and Army Commanders.
4. Please provide information as defined in Section 2(f) of the
RTI Act, 2005 including file notings, the tabulations and calculations that
enabled the Dy CGDA arrive at the conclusion communicated to MoD in the above
mentioned UO No. AT/I/1496-II dated 20.10.2008.
Reply to RTI Request CGDFA/R/2017/50707
(received on 12/1/18)
(RTI/Audit)
No. CPIO/AT/2017/HQ/I/494 Dated:
04/01/2018
-------------
Sub: Seeking
information under RTI Act, 2005
Ref: Your online
RTI application dated 05.12.2017 bearing Reg No. CGDFA/R/2017/50707
With reference
to your RTI application cited under reference, it is intimated that the
reply/information as sought under your ibid RTI application has been
ascertained from the section dealing with the subject matter. In this regard,
the information/reply in this regard as received from the concerned section/PIO
vide their UO No, AT/I/1496/XI dated 01.01.2018 along with its enclosures (08
pages), is forwarded herewith for your information please.
Shri Sham
Dev, IDAS, Jt CGDA (AN) is the appellate authority of this HQ under Section 19
(1) of the RTI Act.
Sd/-------------
(T Kabilan)
Dy CGDA/CPIO
Audit – I Section
Subject:
Seeking information under RTI Act 2005, Shri S Y Savur
Reference: Your UO Note No.
CPIO/AT/2017/HQ/I/494 dated 13/12/2017
In
regard to the RTI application bearing Registration Number CGDFA/R/2017/50707
dated 05/12/2017 in respect of Shri S Y Savur received under your Note cited
above, following information is furnished:
In regard
to issuance of this HQ UO Note bearing No. AT/I/1496-II dated 20-10-2008,
photocopies of the following available documents/records are furnished as
desired by the applicant: -
1. Note 22 to Note 23 endorsed on File No.
AT/I/1596-II (two pages).
2. Copy of UO Note AT/I/1496-II dated
20/10/2008 (one pages).
3. Related tabulations/calculations available at page No. 231 to
235 (five pages)
Sr, ACGDA
(AT-I) has seen.
Sd/-----------
(V K Purohit)
Sr AO (AT-I)
RTI Cell (AT) Local
UO Note NO: AT/I/1496/XI
dated 01/01/2018
Page 245
Note 7
Reference:
Preceding notes
The points
raised at para (d) and € of Note 3 ante have been examined and the following
comments are furnished.
Para
(d): The pay fixation tables in
respect of MNS Officers of the ranks of Colonel, Brigadier and Maj General have
been prepared based on the formula given by the Govt and are placed below as
annexure I, II, and III respectively.
It
is stated that MNS officers of the rank of Colonel drawing pre-revised pay of
Rs 15800/- and Rs 16100/- including two/three stagnation increment(s) in the
pre-revised scale of Rs 13400-300-15500 would get fixed at Rs 42120/- whereas
Colonels of regular Army drawing Rs 17100/- (including Rank Pay of Rs 2000/-)
have been fixed at Rs 40890/-. Further MNS Officers drawing Rs 16400/-
including three stagnation increments would get fixed at Rs 43390/- whereas
Colonels of the regular Army drawing Rs 17100/-, Rs 17550/- and Rs 18000/- are
getting fixed at stages less than Rs 43390/-. Similarly MNS Brigadiers drawing
Rs 15900/- in scale of Rs 14700-300-16200 would get fixed at Rs 42120/- whereas
Colonel drawing Rs 17100/- have been fixed at Rs 40890/-. The table enclosed at
annexure IV will illustrate issue further.
The
pay fixation table in respect of Lt of MNS (Local) prepared as per formula
given by Government is given at annexure V. It will be seen that Lt of MNS
(Local) drawing Rs 8300/- in the pre-revised scale of Rs 5500-175-9000 would
get fixed at Rs 18900/- whereas Lt of regular Army have been fixed at Rs
15600/-. Pay fixation tables given as annexure – V would highlight this
anomaly.
It
can be seen that the anomaly cannot be resolved within the ambit of existing
instructions, and necessary policy decision will need to be taken by MoD/Min of
Fin.
Para
(e): - It is seen that a Colonel
drawing three stagnation increments after reaching the maximum of the
pre-revised scale as on 01.01.2006 would cross Rs 80000/- after drawing 11
increments in the revised scale. Similarly Brigadier drawing three stagnation
increments after reaching maximum of the pre-revised scale as on 01.01.2006
would cross Rs 80000/- after drawing 10 increments in the revised scales. It is
very unlikely that officers of the rank of Colonel and Brigadier would have
such long residency periods in the respective ranks. In all probability they
are likely to be promoted to higher ranks or retire on attaining the age of
superannuation.
Sd/----------------
Dy CGDA (AT)
Director (AG)
MoD
Sena Bhawan
New Delhi
CGDA’s UO No. AT/I/1496-II dated 20-101-2008.
Note/22
Subject: Implementation of VI CPC
Recommendations – Acting Rank etc
Placed
below is file No. 1 (51)/2008-D (Pay/Services) received from Director (AG) Min
of Defence seeking comments of this HQ office on the following issues as
contained in Para (d) and (e) of Note 3 of the file.
(i) MNS Officers drawing more pay than
Colonels and Brigadiers
(ii) Colonels/Brigadiers at maximum of PB-4
drawing more pay/pension than General Officers
Points
mentioned above have been examined and it is submitted that MNS officers of the
rank of Colonel drawing pre-revised pay of Rs 15800/- and Rs 16100/- including
one/two stagnation increments in the pre-revised scale of Rs 13400-300-15500/-
would get their pay fixed at Rs 42120/- and Colonels of regular Army drawing Rs
17100/- (including rank pay of Rs 2000/-) have been fixed at Rs 40890/-. A
detailed illustration of the anomaly arisen in this case has been shown in
Annexure –IV placed below. This has been (sic) occurred due to fixation of Col of MNS and
regular Army in the pay band of PB-4. Similar type of anomaly will also arise
in case of Lt of MNS (Local) where Lt of MNS (Local) drawing Rs 8300/- in the
pre-revised scale of Rs 5500-175-9000 would get his pay fixed at Rs 19800/-
whereas Lt of regular Army have been fixed at Rs 15600/-. Pay fixation table is
placed opposite as annexure – V.
(Emoluments
of Colonels and Brigadiers) with increments after reaching maximum of the
pre-revised scale as on 1.1.2006 would cross Rs 80000/- after drawing 11 ad 10
increments respectively. It is, however, very unlikely that officers of the
rank of Colonel and Brigadier would have such long residency period in the
respective ranks, as they are likely to be promoted to the higher ranks or
retire on attaining the age of superannuation. Tables showing emoluments drawn
after allowing increments @ 3% up to Rs 80000/- in respect of Colonel and
Brigadier are placed opposite as Annexure VI and Annexure VII.
In
view of the above, if agreed to we may apprise MoD accordingly. Draft UO Note
to MoD is placed opposite for approval please.
Submitted
please
Sd/------------------
Dy CGDA (AT-I) Sd/-------
20/x
Jt CGDA (AT-I) may like to see. Sd/--------------- 20/x
Addl CGDA (DL) Sd/------------
20/x
Annexure - VI
Page 235
Table showing increments drawn @ 3% before attaining the
stage of Rs 80000/- in respect of
Colonel
Pre-revised
|
Revised Pay
|
|||||
Basic Pay
|
Rank Pay
|
Pay in pay band
|
Grade Pay
|
MSP
|
Total revised pay
|
Incr
|
15100
|
2000
|
40890
|
8700
|
6000
|
55590
|
|
15550
|
2000
|
42120
|
8700
|
6000
|
56820
|
|
16000
|
2000
|
42120
|
8700
|
6000
|
56820
|
|
16450
|
2000
|
43390
|
8700
|
6000
|
58090
|
|
16900
|
2000
|
43390
|
8700
|
6000
|
58090
|
|
17350
|
2000
|
44700
|
8700
|
6000
|
59400
|
|
17800
|
2000
|
44700
|
8700
|
6000
|
59400
|
|
18250
|
2000
|
46050
|
8700
|
6000
|
60750
|
|
18700
|
2000
|
46050
|
8700
|
6000
|
60750
|
|
47700
|
8700
|
6000
|
62400
|
1
|
||
49400
|
8700
|
6000
|
64100
|
2
|
||
51150
|
8700
|
6000
|
65850
|
3
|
||
52960
|
8700
|
6000
|
67660
|
4
|
||
54820
|
8700
|
6000
|
69250
|
5
|
||
56740
|
8700
|
6000
|
71440
|
6
|
||
58710
|
8700
|
6000
|
73410
|
7
|
||
60740
|
8700
|
6000
|
75440
|
8
|
||
62830
|
8700
|
6000
|
77530
|
9
|
||
64990
|
8700
|
6000
|
79690
|
10
|
||
67210
|
8700
|
6000
|
81910
|
11
|
||
Annexure – VII
Page 234
Table showing increments drawn @ 3% before attaining the
stage of Rs 80000/- in respect of
Brigadier
Pre-revised
|
Revised Pay
|
|||||
Basic Pay
|
Rank Pay
|
Pay in pay band
|
Grade Pay
|
MSP
|
Total revised pay
|
Incr
|
16700
|
2400
|
43390
|
8900
|
6000
|
58290
|
|
17150
|
2400
|
44700
|
8900
|
6000
|
59600
|
|
17600
|
2400
|
44700
|
8900
|
6000
|
59600
|
|
18050
|
2400
|
46050
|
8900
|
6000
|
60950
|
|
18500
|
2400
|
46050
|
8900
|
6000
|
60950
|
|
18950
|
2400
|
47440
|
8900
|
6000
|
62340
|
|
19400
|
2400
|
47440
|
8900
|
6000
|
62340
|
|
49130
|
8900
|
6000
|
64030
|
1
|
||
50880
|
8900
|
6000
|
65780
|
2
|
||
52680
|
8900
|
6000
|
67580
|
3
|
||
54530
|
8900
|
6000
|
69430
|
4
|
||
56440
|
8900
|
6000
|
71340
|
5
|
||
58400
|
8900
|
6000
|
73300
|
6
|
||
60420
|
8900
|
6000
|
75320
|
7
|
||
62500
|
8900
|
6000
|
77400
|
8
|
||
64650
|
8900
|
6000
|
79550
|
9
|
||
66860
|
8900
|
6000
|
81760
|
10
|
||
Page 233
Work sheet
Age
|
Date
|
Pay in Pay Band
|
Pay round off
|
Grade Pay
|
MSP
|
Total
|
42
|
01/01/06
|
40890
|
40890
|
8700
|
6000
|
55590
|
43
|
01/07/06
|
42377.7
|
42380
|
8700
|
6000
|
57080
|
44
|
01/07/07
|
43912.4
|
43920
|
8700
|
6000
|
58620
|
45
|
01/07/08
|
45498.6
|
45590
|
8700
|
6000
|
60200
|
46
|
01/07/09
|
57126
|
47130
|
8700
|
6000
|
61830
|
47
|
01/07/10
|
48804.9
|
48810
|
8700
|
6000
|
63510
|
48
|
01/07/11
|
50535.3
|
50540
|
8700
|
6000
|
65240
|
49
|
01/07/12
|
52317.2
|
52320
|
8700
|
6000
|
67020
|
50
|
01/07/13
|
54150.6
|
54160
|
8700
|
6000
|
68860
|
51
|
01/07/14
|
56045.8
|
56050
|
8700
|
6000
|
70750
|
52
|
01/07/15
|
57992.5
|
58000
|
8700
|
6000
|
72700
|
53
|
01/7/16
|
60001
|
60010
|
8700
|
6000
|
74710
|
54
|
01/07/17
|
62071.3
|
62080
|
8700
|
6000
|
76780
|
Page 232
Work sheet
Age
|
Date
|
Pay in Pay Band
|
Pay round off
|
Grade Pay
|
MSP
|
Total
|
44
|
01/01/06
|
46050
|
46050
|
8900
|
6000
|
60950
|
45
|
01/07/06
|
47698.5
|
47700
|
8900
|
6000
|
62600
|
46
|
01/07/07
|
49398
|
49400
|
8900
|
6000
|
64300
|
47
|
01/07/08
|
51149
|
51150
|
8900
|
6000
|
66050
|
48
|
01/07/09
|
52951.5
|
52960
|
8900
|
6000
|
67860
|
49
|
01/07/10
|
54815.8
|
54820
|
8900
|
6000
|
69720
|
50
|
01/07/11
|
56731.6
|
56740
|
8900
|
6000
|
71640
|
51
|
01/07/12
|
58709.2
|
58710
|
8900
|
6000
|
73610
|
52
|
01/07/13
|
60738.3
|
60740
|
8900
|
6000
|
75640
|
53
|
01/07/14
|
62829.2
|
62830
|
8900
|
6000
|
77730
|
54
|
01/07/15
|
64981.9
|
64990
|
8900
|
6000
|
79890
|
55
|
01/7/16
|
67206.7
|
67210
|
8900
|
6000
|
82110
|
56
|
01/07/17
|
69493.3
|
69500
|
8900
|
6000
|
84400
|
Page 231
Work sheet
Age
|
Date
|
Pay in Pay Band
|
Pay round off
|
Grade Pay
|
MSP
|
Total
|
44
|
01/01/06
|
43390
|
43390
|
8900
|
6000
|
58290
|
45
|
01/07/06
|
44958.7
|
44960
|
8900
|
6000
|
59860
|
46
|
01/07/07
|
46575.8
|
46850
|
8900
|
6000
|
61480
|
47
|
01/07/08
|
48244.4
|
48250
|
8900
|
6000
|
63150
|
48
|
01/07/09
|
49964.5
|
49970
|
8900
|
6000
|
64870
|
49
|
01/07/10
|
51736.1
|
51740
|
8900
|
6000
|
66640
|
50
|
01/07/11
|
53559.2
|
53560
|
8900
|
6000
|
68460
|
51
|
01/07/12
|
55433.8
|
55440
|
8900
|
6000
|
70340
|
52
|
01/07/13
|
57370.2
|
57380
|
8900
|
6000
|
72280
|
53
|
01/07/14
|
59368.4
|
59370
|
8900
|
6000
|
74270
|
54
|
01/07/15
|
61418.1
|
61420
|
8900
|
6000
|
76320
|
55
|
01/7/16
|
63529.6
|
63530
|
8900
|
6000
|
78430
|
56
|
01/07/17
|
65702.9
|
65710
|
8900
|
6000
|
80610
|
* * * * *
Notes by Aerial View using 20:20 hindsight: -
1. Due to the time frame of
AVSC in 2005 (w.e.f 16 Dec 2004) as on 1.1.2006, the promotion for Select rank
of Col was at 16 years of service (age 37 if commissioned at 21 years of age).
Hence possibility of Colonel achieving Rs 67000 + 8700 + 6000 = Rs 81700 is
earlier than predicted by CGDA.
2. The time frame for
promotion to Select ranks was further reduced by the Command Exit policy of 2009,
so possibility of Colonel achieving Rs 67000 + 8700 + 6000 = Rs 81700/- and
Brigadier achieving Rs 67000+8900+6000 = Rs 81900/- is earlier than predicted
by CGDA
* * * * *
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