Thursday 19 April 2018

More on the Concordance Tables Saga


More on the Concordance Tables for pre-2016 pensioners of Armed Forces

Readers are requested to note that this post is not in a chronological but as per replies from three Departments of Ministry of Defence – in alphabetical order – CGDA, DESW and D (Pay/Services)

Online RTI Request Form Details
RTI Request Details :-
RTI Request Registration number CGDFA/R/2018/50385
Public Authority Controller General of Defence Accounts (CGDA)
Description of Information Sought

1. Please refer to DESW ID No. PC-1. 17(1)/2016-D (Pen/Pol) dated 13.7.2017 & 15.12.2017, D (Pay/Services) ID No. 1(26)/2016-D (Pay/Services) dated 27.10.2017, O/o CGDA UP No. 5700/AT-P/7th CPC/Vol V dated 9.10.2017.

2. Please provide the following information:

2.1. Date on which request from MoD to O/o CGDA to furnish Concordance tables for pre-2016 Armed Forces pensioners and family pensioners was received by O/o CGDA.

2.2. Name and designation of officer of O/o CGDA that the task to prepare Concordance tables for pre-2016 Armed Forces pensioners and family pensioners was entrusted to and the date on which it was entrusted.

2.3. Particulars of the decision taken by the above named officer and his/her superior officer in respect of preparation of Concordance tables for pre-2016 Armed Forces pensioners and family pensioners including formula, refitment tables etc

2.4. Date on which and name and designation of officer of MoD to whom the information at 2.3 above was conveyed with UO no and date.

2.5. If Concordance tables could not be prepared or furnished, the reasons for inability to prepare the ibid tables.

3. Please refer to CIC Decision No. SG/A/2008/00347 and 00277 dated 9.2.2009 wherein questions are allowed as Section 2 (f) defines information means material in any form.

Reply of CGDA dated 18.4.2018 received online on 19.4.2018

Speed Post
RTI Matter/Urgent
Office of the CGDA, Ulan Batar Road, Palam, Delhi Cantt - 110010

(RTI/Audit)

No. CPIO/AT/2017/HQ/I/817                                                                          Dated: 18/04/2018

Sub: Seeking Information under RTI Act 2005
Ref: Your online RTI application dated 20.3.2018 bearing reg No. CGDFA/R/2018/50385


            With reference to your RTI application cited under reference, it is intimated that the reply/information in respect of your ibid RTI application has been ascertained from the section dealing with the subject matter. In this regard, the information/reply as received from concerned section/PIO in respect of points 2.1. & 2.2 vide their UO No. 5700/AT-P/7th CPC/Vol VI dated 23.3.2018 and in respect of point 2.3. & 2.4 vide their UO No. AT/I/1225/CONCORD/I dated 09.04.2018 along with its enclosures (03 pages) are forwarded herewith for information please.   

            Shri Sham Dev, IDAS, Jt CGDA (AN) is the appellate authority of this HQ under Section 19 (1) of the RTI Act.

Encl: as above                                                                                                             Sd/--------------
(T Kabilan)
Sr Dy CGDA/CPIO

Office of the CGDA, Ulan Batar Road, Palam, Delhi Cantt - 110010

Sub:     Seeking information under RTI Act, 2005: Shri S Y Savur

Ref: RTI/AT     Section U.O. No. CPIO/AT/2017/HQ/817 dated 21.03.2018 

            The RTI application dated 20.03.2018 preferred by Shri S Y Savur received under above U.O. letter has been examined. The point-wise information available with HQ Pension Wing is as follows:

            Point 2.1:        MoD vide their ID dated 27.10.2017 (received in this HQ office on 09.11.2017) requested HQ CGDA Office to prepare concordance table.

            Point 2.2:        However, based on internal decision taken before receipt of above request for preparation of Concordance Table, Jt CGDA (Pay/Works) was requested to get the concordance table prepared vide our U.O. No. 5700/AT-P/7th CPC/Vol-VI dated 26.02.2018. Detailed information in respect of points 2.3 2.4 and 2.5 may be obtained from HQ AT-Pay Wing. 

            This issues with the approval of the Jt CGDA (Pension)
Sd/------------------
(Rajesh Gupta)
Accounts Officer (Pension)
Accounts Officer, RTI (Audit)
U.O. No. 5700/AT-P/7th CPC/Vol-VI
Dated 23rd March 2018

Office of the CGDA, Ulan Batar Road, Palam, Delhi Cantt - 110010
Audit-I Section

Sub:     Seeking information under RTI Act, 2005: Shri S Y Savur

Ref: RTI/AT     Section U.O. No. CPIO/AT/2017/HQ/817 dated 26/03/2018 
            In view of Audit-Pension Section reply under UO Note bearing No. 5700/AT-P/7th CPC dated 23rd March 2018, with reference to the online RTI application dated 20/3/2018 in respect of the above named individual, following information is furnished:

Point 2.3:        on receipt of UO Note dated 31/08/2017, necessary action was taken as per Note/4 (copy enclosed) and accordingly concerned operating Controllers were requested to prepare draft Concordance Tables under this HQ letter No. AT/I/1225/Pension/III (PC) dated 06/09/2017 (copy enclosed). After receipt of the draft tables from the Controllers, the same were examined in consultation with Services HQ/TRIPAS and based on the inputs received in this regard, the draft Concordance Tables were forwarded to Audit-Pension Section vide this Section UO Note No. AT/I/1225/CONCORD/I dated 01/01/2018 for their further necessary action under intimation to Shri Prashant Rastogi, Under Secretary, D (Pay/Services), Ministry of Defence. 

Point 2.4: As above   

Point 2.5: As above.

            Sr ACGDA (AT-I) has seen                                                                   Sd/-------------------
                                                                                                                        (V K Purohit)
                                                                                                                        Sr AO (AT-I)
Accounts Officer RTI (AT) Cell (Local)
UO Note No. AT/I/1225/CONCORD/I dated 09/04/2018

Note 14
Subject: Revision of pension of Pre-2016 pensioners/family pensioners in implementation of Govt decision on the recommendations of the 7th Central Pay Commission; making of Concordance tables regarding

            Placed opposite is Jt CGDA (Pen) UO No. 5700/AT-P/7th CPC/Vol V dated 31st August 2017 on the caption subject for perusal please.

2.         It has been intimated under UO Note cited above that for revision of pension of pre-2016 retiree Armed Forces personnel by notional fixation of pay as on 1.1.2016, a DGL was forwarded by them to MoD. However, in between it has been observed that for expediting the process of notional fixation of pay and maintaining uniformity, Department of P&PW has issued concordance tables for fixation of notional pay from Pay Commission to Pay Commission for revision of pension/family pension of Civilian Govt employees w.e.f. 01.01.2016 vide OM dated 6th July 2017.

On the same pattern, similar Concordance Tables is required for Armed Forces Personnel. As such, it has been requested that Concordance tables in respect of JCOs/ORs and Officers and their equivalents may be prepared to facilitate revision of pension of pre-2016 pensioners/family pensions by the concerned Pension Sanctioning Authorities urgently as Govt orders in this regard are expected soon.

3.         It may be submitted that for extending benefit of implementation of Central Pay Commission to pre-cut off date retiree employees, Concordance Tables are usually prepared at the time of implementation of every Central Pay Commission for smooth and early revision of pension of pre-cut off date retirees. However, no such Concordance Tables have so far been prepared by this Section. Such Concordance Tables have generally been part of relevant Govt orders on pension. However, as desired, we may request concerned operating Controllers i.e. to PCDA Bangalore for JCOs/ORs, to PCDA (O) Pune for Army Officers and for Air Force and Navy personnel to CDA (AF) New Delhi and PCDA (Navy) respectively for making required Concordance tables on line of DOP&PW OM cited above. If agreed to, Draft letter to the above Controllers have been prepared and placed opposite for consideration please. 

Submitted please
Sd/------ 5/9/17

SAO (AT-I) on leave
AAO (AT-I) Please recommend DFA in view of MoD letter d/d 5/9.17

Sr ACGDA (Pen)          

Dy CGDA (P&W) Sd/---- 6/9

IMPORTANT
Office of the CGDA, Ulan Batar Road, Palam, Delhi Cantt - 110010


No. AT/I/1225/Pension III (PC)                                               dated 06/09/2017

To
            The PCDA, Bangalore
            The PCDA (O), Pune
            The PCDA (N), Mumbai
            The CDA (AF), New Delhi

Subject:           Revision of pension of pre-2016 pensioners/family pensioners in implementation of Govt decision on the recommendations of the 7th Central Pay Commission: making of Concordance Tables regarding 

Reference: HQ letter No. AT/I/3510/7th CPC dated 06/07/2017

            In continuation to HQ letter cited under reference, it is stated that necessary orders for revision of pension of pre-1.1.2016 Armed Forces pensioners/family pensioners by notional fixation of their pay in the pay matrix recommended by the 7th CPC has since been issued vide MoD letter No. 17 (01)/2017(2)/D (Pension/Policy) dated 5th September 2017. However, it has been observed that for expediting the process of notional fixation of pay and maintaining uniformity in this regard, Department of P & PW has recently issued Concordance Tables for similar notional pay fixation from Pay Commission to Pay Commission for revision of pension/family pension of Civilian Govt Employees w.e.f. 01.01.2016 vide OM No. 38/37/2016- P & PW (A) dated 6th July 2017. On the same pattern similar Concordance tables are required for Armed Forces pensioners/family pensioners for revision of pension/family pension as per above cited MoD order. As such, it is requested urgently to facilitate revision of pension of pre 1.1.2016 pensioners/family pensioners by the concerned Pension Sanctioning Authorities expeditiously.      

2.         It has been decided to allocate the above job to Controllers as under: -

S No.
Work
Controller to whom allocated
1
Making of Concordance Tables for notional fixation of pay as on 01.01.2016 of pre-2016 retiree Army Officers for revision of their pension w.e.f. 01/01/2016
PCDA (O), Pune
2
Same work in respect of JCOS/ORs of Army
PCDA, Bangalore
3
Same work in respect of Air Force Officers and personnel
CDA (AF), New Delhi
4
Same work in respect of Naval Officers and personnel
PCDA (Navy), Mumbai

3.         It is requested that the above work be completed and furnished to HQ latest by 11/09/2017.

Sd/---------------
(Pushkal Upadhyay)
 Jt CGDA ( P&W)
6/9

Copy to

All Regional PCsDA/CsDA (except PCDA Bangalore)
It is requested that preparatory work done s per HQ instructions under AT/I/3510/7th CPC dated 06/07/2017 cited above be furnished to PCDA, Bangalore for their further necessary action and submission to HQ



Reply from DESW dated 27.3.2018 received online on 6.4.2018


No. 550/D (Pen/Pol)/2018
Ministry of Defence
Department of Ex-Servicemen Welfare
D (Pen/Policy)
New Delhi, Dated 27.3.2018

To
            Air Marshal S Y Savur PVSM AVSM (retd)

Subject: Revision of pension and issuing e-PPO to pre-2016 Defence pensioners/family pensioners

Sir,

            Please refer to your representation (to the Defence Secretary) dated 28.02.2018 and representation bearing registration No. PMOPG/E/2018/0118864 dated 16.03.2018 received in this office.

2.         In this regard, it is stated that for the revision of pension, two options were recommended by the 7th Central Pay Commission (CPC) i.e. (a) incremental method and (b) multiplication factor based formula. The formula based on fitment factor of 2.57 (2nd option) has been implemented vide MoD order dated 29.10.2016.

3.         Further, Govt orders for revision of pension of pre-2016 Defence Forces Personnel on notional pay fixation (First formulation) was issued on 05.09.2017. Thereafter, the process if issue/creating of Concordance Table on the lines of DoP&PW OM dated 6.7.2017 has been initiated in consultation with CGDA and D (Pay/Services). Draft concordance table along with DGL have been received from CGDA office and the same has been forwarded to D (Pay/Services) for vetting and approval. After receiving approved DGL, Govt order would be issued in this regard and accordingly, e-PPOs would be issued later. 
Sd/------------------
(Manoj Sinha)
Under Secretary to the Government of India

Online RTI Request Form Details
RTI Request Details :-
RTI Request Registration number MODEF/R/2018/50594 dated 16.3.2018
Public Authority Department of Defence

Description of Information Sought
Sir,

Deptt of Pensions & Pensioners Welfare issued Concordance tables for preparation of re-fixation of notional pay from Fourth to Seventh Pay Commission for Civilian Govt family pensioners and pensioners on 6.7.2017 vide F No.38/37/2016-P & PW (A).

2. The supporting document, being a reply from Deptt of Ex-Servicemen Welfare indicates that the responsibility to issue the Concordance tables for Defence Forces in consultation with CGDA.
D (Pay/Services) requested CGDA to prepare the tables vide F No.1 (26)/2017/D (Pay/Services) dated 27.10.2017 and send the same to DESW.

Now it is nearing 6 months and Defence Pensioners are all awaiting the Concordance tables
Please provide information including file notings, OM. ID Notes and all records etc of any follow up by D (Pay/Services) dated 27.10.2017 as on the date of this RTI request.

Reply of Department (Pay/Services) dated 12.4.2018 received on 16.4.2018

Speed Post
RTI Matter
No. 35(1)/2015/D (Pay/Services)
Government of India
Ministry of Defence
New Delhi, the 12th April 2018

Subject:           Seeking information under RTI Act 2005

Sir,
            Reference is invited to your RTI application vide No. MODEF/R/2018/50594 dated 16.03.2017 (received on 6.4.2018) on the above subject.
2.         The information as available in this section is enclosed in copies of note sheet (02 pages) and communications (02 pages). The matter is under examination in Department of Ex-Servicemen Welfare (ESW)/D (Pen/Policy) section.

3.         In view of the above, your application is transferred to D (Pen/Policy) as per provisions of Section 6 (3) of RTI Act 2005 for taking appropriate action at their end and to provide the requisite information to the applicant directly.

4.         The Appellate authority is Shri B D Barua, Deputy Secretary (AG-I), Ministry of Defence, Room No. 102, Sena Bhawan, New Delhi.
Yours faithfully,
Sd/----------------
12/4/18
(Prashant Rastogi)
Under Secretary & CPIO
Copy to: D (Pen/Policy) alongwith a copy of RTU application dated 16.3.2018 for taking necessary action. 

Immediate
Ministry of Defence
D (Pay/Services)

Subject: Preparation of Concordance Tables in respect of Armed Forces Personnel           

            Reference CGDA UO Note No. AT/I/1225/CONCORD/I dated 18.12.2017 on the above subject.

2.         It is once again requested to expedite the information and forward the same to Pension Division directly for necessary action at their end under intimation to the Division.
Sd/------------------
29/12/17
(Prashant Rastogi)
Under Secretary
Sr ACGDA (P/W)
MOD ID No. 1 (26)/2017/D (Pay/Services) dated 29th December 2017

Ministry of Defence
D (Pay/Services)

Subject:          Issuance of concordance table for revision of Pension of pre-2016 pensioners/family pensioners implementation of Govt decision on the recommendations of the 7th CPC for notional fixation of pay - reg

            Reference D (Pension/Policy) ID Note No, 17 (1)/2016/D (Pen/Pol) dated 16.3.2018.

2.         It may be seen from the draft Government letter forwarded by CGDA that matter purely pertains to pensioners/family pensioners of the Armed Forces. Further, draft Government letters have been prepared on the basis of following letters issued by D (Pension/Policy):

            (i)         17 (01)/2017 (02)/D (Pension/Policy) dated 5.9.2017.
            (ii)        1 (3)/98/D (Pension/Policy) dated 27.5.1998.
           
Further, the concordance tables are for pensioners and all the pensionary matters are dealt by D (Pension/Policy).

3.         It is pertinent to mention here that D (Pay/Services) deals with the policy matters related to Pay, Allowances of the serving Armed Forces Personnel. Further, it is intimated that this Division has no role in issuance of draft Government letter regarding Revision of pension of pensioners/family pensioners and D (Pension/Policy) is requested to take up the issue with their Finance Division in MoD. 

Sd/------------
(5/4/18
(Prashant Rastogi)
Under Secretary
D (Pension/Policy)
MoD ID No. PC -1(26)/2017/D (Pay/Services) dated 5.4.18.  

Two notes on the subject of area of responsibility attached to the above reply have not been reproduced here because they neither have signature blocks nor who approved forwarding the above letter to D (Pension/Policy). A First Appeal has been filed on 19.4.2018.

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