RTI No. DEXSW/2019/50600 & Reply thereto: OROP Equalisation
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RTI Request
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RTI Request
Registration number DEXSW/R/2019/50600
Public Authority Department of Ex-Servicemen
Welfare
Personal Details of
RTI Applicant:-
Name Air Mshl S Y Savur PVSM AVSM
retd
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Request Details :-
Description of
Information Sought
It
is understood that TRIPAS has taken up with DESW, MoD for 5 yearly equalisation
of OROP vide C/7026/VII CPC/84/OROP dated 11.03.2019.
2.
It is further understood that DESW, MoD has requested O/o CGDA to prepare for
the equalisation vide ID No. 1(1)/2019/D (Pen/Pol) dated 28.03.2019.
3.
It is also understood that JS (ESW) in DESW, MoD has received a reply from the
O/o CGDA (Jt CGDA Pension) vide a UO dated 05.04.2019 requesting clarifications
and methodology etc.
4.
It is requested that CPIO may provide photocopies of the TRIPAS letter dated
11.03.2019 quoted in Para 1 above, of the MoD ID dated 28.03.2019 quoted in
Para 2 above and of the CGDA UO dated 05.04.2019 quoted in Para 3 above.
5.
Information may be provided online if convenient to CPIO or if CPIO desires to
provide hard copies, he may enable online payment of additional fees for
photocopying @ Rs 2 per page as directed in RTI Act 2005.
Reply received online on 16
Jul 2019
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No. 237/RTI/2014/D(P/P) – Part II
Ministry
of Defence
Department
of Ex-Servicemen Welfare
D
(Pen/Policy)
New
Delhi, Dated 15th July 2019
To
Shri S Y Savur
Subject: Seeking information
under RTI Act, 2005 - reg
Sir,
Please refer to your online RTI
application bearing Registration No. DEXSW/R/2019/50600 dated 13.06.2018
received in this office on the subject mentioned above.
2. In this connection, please find enclosed copies of following
letters:
TRIPAS letter No. C/7026/VII CPC/84/OROP dated 11.03.2019
(01 page)
MOD ID No. 1(1)/2019/D(Pen/Pol) dated 28.03.2019 (01
page)
CGDS UO No. 5699/AT-P/OROP-2/Vol-I dated 05.04.2019 (06
pages)
3. Sh. A. K. Agarwal, Dy Secretary, Room
No. 226, B Wing, Sena Bhawan, New Delhi is the first appellate authority.
Encl: as above
Sd/--------------
15/07/2019
(Ashok
Kumar)
CPIO
& Under Secretary (Pen/Pol)
Telephone: 23797491
C/7026/VII CPC/84/OROP 11
Mar 2019
Tri Services Pay Staff
(TRIPAS)]
Room No. 116, Kashmir House
OROP REVISION 2019
1. Reference is made to MoD Dept of DESW
letter No. 12(1)/2014/D(Pen/Pol)-Part II dated 07 Nov 2015 (Copy enclosed).
2. The salient features of OROP were given
in the above mentioned Govt letter. As per para 3(v) of the MoD letter under
mention, the first revision of OROP is
due on 01 Jul 2019.
3. It is pertinent to mention that basis
of calculation of pension as per OROP differs from the basis of calculation for
pension in 7th CPC. This may have resulted in lower fixation of
pension for post 2016 retirees than the one who retired prior to 1.1.2016. It
is requested that during the revision of OROP in Jul 2019, pension protection for post 2016 retirees be taken care of.
4. In view of the above and to avoid
similar situation in future, it is requested that a timeline may be promulgated
to review the OROP. The data considered
for formulating the revised OROP 2019 for pensioners be shared with Service HQs
before finalising the pension tables.
5. It is also submitted that recommendations of One Man Judicial Committee be declassified at
the earliest as it may have an effect on the revision of OROP.
Sd/----------------
(P
S Babu)
AVM
ACAS
(Accts & AV)
&
Chairman PARC
Enclosure: As stated
JS (ESW) MoD
Copy to: -
Defence Secretary ]
Secretary, ESW ]
For information please
FA (DS), MoD ]
MoD (Pen/Pol) ]
Ministry
of Defence
Department
of Ex-Servicemen Welfare
D(Pen/Policy)
Room
No. 222, B Wing
Sena
Bhawan, New Delhi – 11
Subject:
Re-fixation of pension under OROP - reg
Please find enclosed a copy of
TRIPAS letter Bo. C/7026/VII CPC/84/OROP dated 11th March 2019 of
TRIPAS (Tri Services Pay Staff) regarding re-fixation of pension under OROP. It
has been mentioned that as per para 3 (v) of Govt letter No. 12(1)/2014/D
(Pen/Pol) – Part II dated 7th November 2013 (OROP order), the
pension would be re-fixed every 5 years i.e. the first revision is due on 1st
July 2019 as the benefit of OROP was given w.e.f. 1.7.2014.
2. Regarding implementation of 7th CPC pension was
revised in following two methods:
(i) Notional
pay fixation method: revised pension/family pension of all Armed Forces personnel who retired/died prior
to 1.1.2016 be revised by notionally fixing their pay in the pay matrix recommended
by the 7th CPC in the level corresponding to the pay in the pay
scale/pay band and grade pay at which they retired/died. This has been done by
notional pay fixation under each intervening Pay Commission based on the
formula for revision of pay.
MoD
has issued Concordance Table to implement this method of pension revision
w.e.f. 1.1.2016.
(ii) By
multiplying Basic Pension as on 31.12.2015 into 2.57: For existing
pensioners, who have retired/died before 1.1.2016, the revised pension/family
pension with effect from 1.1.2016 be determined by multiplying the Basic
Pension (before commutation)/Basic Family Pension (exclusive of Dearness
Relief) as had been drawn as on 31.12.2015 by 2.57 to arrive at revised pension
under 7th CPC.
(iii) Pensioners are entitled to the higher of the two above.
3. CGDA Hqrs is requested to look into the
matter and start preparatory work for re-fixation of pension under OROP within
stipulated time, as per para 3 (v) of Govt letter No. 12
(1)/2014/D(Pen/Pol)-Part II dated 7th November 2015 (copy
enclosed).
Sd/--------------
28.3.2019
(Ashok
Kumar)
Under
Secretary to the Govt of India
Telefax:
23012973
e-mail:
us-pen-pol@desw.gov.in
Jt CGDA (Pension), O/o CGDA,
Ulan Batar Road, Palam, Delhi Cantt
MoD ID No. 1(1)/2019/D(Pen/Pol)
dated 28.3.2019.
Office of the CGDA, Ulan Batar
Road, Palam, Delhu Cantt-10
Sub: Re-fixation of pension under OROP - reg
Ministry may kindly refer to their
ID No. 1(1)/2019/D(Pen/Pol) dated 28.03.2019 forwarding a copy of TRIPAS letter
No. C/7026/VII CPC/84/OROP dated 11.03.2019. However, copy of ibid TRIPAS
letter has not been found enclosed. It is requested to kindly forward the same.
2. Further, vide Para 3 of ibid ID,
Ministry has requested to start preparatory work for re-fixation of pension
under OROP as per para 3(v) of MoD letter dated 7.11.2015. In order to begin
work, Ministry is requested to clarify the following:
(a) With reference to Para 3 of GoI, MoD
letter dt. 7.11.2015, it may be confirmed whether the same methodology is to be
employed for calculating OROP rates viz. average of minimum and maximum
pension. If so, the year from which data of current retirees is to be used may
be specified.
(b) OROP was implemented w.e.f. 01.07.2014.
Similarly date of effect of this next round of revisions may kindly be
intimated.
(c) It may be recalled that several issues
and anomalies regarding OROP implementation has been raised earlier. Government
has referred three (03) major categories of these issues to a One Man Judicial
Commission appointed vide No. 12 (1)/2014-D (Pen/Pol) dated 14.12.2015. Various
ESM associations had also made reference to this OMJC. The report of OMJC is
pending with the Ministry. It may be clarified whether any of the
recommendations of the OMJC are to be factored into the new calculations.
3. It may be mentioned here that there
have been several developments since the issue of OROP orders in 2015-16. The
most significant is the implementation of the recommendations of the VIIth CPC.
The impact of these recommendations with respect to revision of defence
pensions was not factored into the OROP orders. As per the VIIth CPC orders,
pension revision is to be undertaken by two methods and pension disbursed by
the more beneficial of the two. The first method requires multiplication of
pension as on 31.12.2015 by a factor of 2.57. This has been done by PDAs. The
other method requires notional revision of pay across subsequent Pay Commission
scales to arrive at a notional pay (and pension) under VIIth CPC scales. This
revision has raised the following issues:
(a) The notional pay formula brings all past
pensioners to current rates, almost as if they were serving under VIIth CPC.
This is also the formula used in various Court judgments seeking to equate past
pensioners with current retirees. For example, Hon’ble Supreme Court judgment
in SPS Vains vs. UoI (2008) case and in DS Nakara case. As such it is a matter
for consideration as to whether any logic exists to initiate the process of
OROP revision once the pension of past and current pensioners has been equated
w.e.f.1.1.2016.
(b) The notional pay based revision in
respect of defence pensioners has just commenced. The final pension of past
pensioners (as on 1.1.2016) is not available until this is completed. Therefore,
data for comparing past pensioner with current pensioners is incomplete to that
extent.
(c) Ministry may also kindly refer to WP No.
419/2016 – Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement and others vs. UoI. While preparing to
brief Ld ASG, Ministry had requested to compare pension under various Pay
Commissions. The result was forwarded to Ministry vide this HQrs UO dated
23.08.2018 (copy enclosed). The sample study indicated that application of
multiplication factor to OROP pension has created an anomaly whereby past
pensioners are drawing higher pension that those who have retired between
1.7.2014 and 31.12.2015 and post 1.1.2016 retirees. It may be recalled that
Service HQrs have also forwarded proposals citing this anomaly and seeking
protection of pension of current retirees with respect to OROP pension. If this
anomaly turns out to be widespread, the logic of revising pension of past
retirees to bring them to the level of current pensioners would not
subsist.
4. Ministry is requested to give directions
of how to proceed further in view of the points mentioned above.
Sd/---------------------
(Kanwaldeep Singh)
Jt. CGDA (Pension)
Shri Pudi Hari Prasad, Joint
Sec (ESW)
MoD, Deptt of ESW
South Block, New Delhi
5699/AT-P/OROP-2/Vol-I dated
05.04.2019
Copy to
1. Shri RK Karna, IDAS, MoD (Fin) For information w.r.t. above
South Block, New Delhi
2. PCDA (P) Allahabad For information with
request to compile data in r/o para
3 (c) above.
Sd/---------------------
(Kanwaldeep Singh)
Jt. CGDA (Pension)
Office of the CGDA, Ulan Batar
Road, Palam Delhi Cantt - 10
Sub: Writ
Petition (Civil) No. 419/2016 – Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement & Others Vs
Union of India & others
Ref: MoD
D (ESW) letter No. 4 (5)/2016-D (Pen/Legal) dated 30.07.2018
* * * * *
Ministry may please refer to their
above mentioned letter, calling for a comparative table indicating amounts of
pension drawn under various Pay Commissions with reference to OROP.
2. In this regard it is submitted that
calculation has been made, as a representative sample, for two ranks of
JCOs/ORs (Havildar and Naib Subedar) and two ranks of Commissioned Officers (Lt
Col & Brigadier). The calculation sheet is attached as Annexure A & B
for JCOs & Ors and Commissioned Officers respectively.
3. It is submitted that since 6th
CPC, two revisions have been made for pre-2006 PBOR pensioners i.e. w.e.f.
01.09.2009 (CSC-2009) and 24.09.2012 (CSC-2012) with the intention to bring
them at par with current pensioners. In addition, OROP benefits were given
w.e.f. 01.07.2014. On analysing the data of post OROP pensioners, it is seen
that: -
(a)
Out of 668 retirees in the period 01.07.2014 to 31.12.2015 in the rank of
Havildar, more than 20% of post OROP retirees are drawing pension less than
OROP rate i.e. OROP pension is higher than pension of future retirees.
(b) The difference is more prominent in the
rank of Nb. Sub where more than 95% of post-OROP retired Nb. Subedars are
drawing less pension than OROP rates.
(c) More than 95% of post 01.01.2016
retirees in the rank of Nb. Sub draw less pension than the revised pension
amount of OROP beneficiaries.
4. This indicated that a significant
proportion of post OROP retirees are getting less pension than past pensioners
whose pension has been ameliorated as per OROP.
Sd/------------
Accounts Officer (AT-Pen)
Shri R K Arora, Under
Secretary (P/L-II)
MoD, Deptt of ESW
Room No. 224, B-Wing, Sena
Bhawan, New Delhi
UO No. 5699/AT-P/OROP/Vol-XiX
dated 23.08.2018
Copy
to
1. Shri Manoj Sinha, Under Secretary
MoD, Deptt of ESW For
information w.r.t. above
222, B Wing, New Bhawan
New Delhi
2. PCDA (P) Allahabad For
Information w.r.t. above
Annexure
A
REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE CALCULATION FOR JCOs/ORs
Sl
No.
|
Rank
|
Date
|
Havildar
|
Nb. Subedar
|
|
Group
|
|
Y
|
Y
|
|
QS (Term of engagement)
|
|
24
|
26
|
|
1
|
2
|
3
|
4
|
1
|
Pension in 4th CPC (w.e.f 1.1.1986)
|
1.1.86
|
689
|
1057
|
2
|
Revision in 5th CPC
|
1.1.96
|
2104
|
3201
|
3
|
Revision 6th CPC
|
1.1.2006
|
5085
|
7486
|
4
|
Modified Pay Parity
|
1.1.2006
|
5820
|
8330
|
5
|
Revision as per CSC - 2009
|
1.07.2009
|
6465
|
10029
|
6
|
Revision as per CSC – 2012
|
24.09.2012
|
7375
|
10029
|
7
|
Revision as per OROP
|
1.07.2014
|
7808
|
10405
|
8
|
Revision in 7th CPC (Col 7 x 2.57)
|
01.01.2016
|
20067
|
28741
|
9
|
Pension as 1.1.2016 if OROP not given (Col 6 x 2.57)
|
01.01.2016
|
18954
|
25775
|
ANALYSIS OF POST 01.07.2014
RETIREES
Time period
|
Havildar
|
Naib Subedar*
|
||||
|
Total No. of pensioners with QS 24 Yrs in Gp Y
|
Pensioners drawing less than OROP rate
|
% of pensioners drawing less than OROP
|
Total No. of pensioners with QS 26 Yrs in Gp Y
|
Pensioners drawing less than OROP rate
|
% of pensioners drawing less than OROP
|
1.07.2014 to 31.12.2015
|
668
|
134
|
20.06
|
463
|
450
|
97.19
|
01.01.2016 onwards
|
4091
|
Nil
|
|
432
|
418
|
96.75
|
* Majority of Nb Sub who have retired after 2014 are currently
drawing less pension than OROP
|
Annexure B
REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE
CALCULATION FOR COMMISSIONED OFFICERS
1
|
|
|
Lt Colonel
|
Brigadier
|
||
2
|
Standard Qualifying Sevice
|
|
24
|
28
|
||
3
|
Pay (4th CPC)
|
|
Min Pay
|
Max Pay
|
Min Pay
|
Max Pay
|
4
|
|
Pay
|
3900
|
5100
|
4950
|
5100
|
5
|
Pension
|
4th CPC
|
2208
|
2772
|
3075
|
3150
|
6
|
Pension under 5th CPC under consolidation
|
w.e.f. 1.1.1996
|
5953 to 7286
|
7993 to 8105
|
||
7
|
Pension under modified parity 5th CPC
|
w.e.f. 1.1.1996
|
7093
|
9550
|
||
|
Range
|
01.01.96
|
7093 to 7286
|
9550 to 9550 (?)
|
||
8
|
Pension under 6th CPC by multiplication method
|
w.e.f. 1.1.2006
|
16032 to 16487
|
21583
|
||
9
|
Pension under Modified Parity
|
w.e.f. 1.1.2006
|
26265
|
29145
|
||
10
|
Revision under OROP
|
w.e.f.1.7.2014
|
32428
|
36420
|
||
11
|
Revision in 7th CPC (Col 10 x 2.57
|
w.e.f 1.1.2016
|
83340
|
93600
|
||
12
|
Revision if he had not been granted OROP (Col 9 x 2.57)
|
w.e.f.
1.1.2016
|
67502
|
74903
|
ANALYSIS OF NON-OROP BENEFICIARIES
Time period
|
Lt Col *
|
Brigadier
|
||||
|
Total No. of pensioners with QS 24 years
|
Pensioners drawing less than OROP rate
|
% of pensioners drawing less than OROP
|
Total No. of pensioners with QS 28 years
|
Pensioners drawing less than OROP rate
|
% of pensioners drawing less than OROP
|
1.07.2014 to 31.12.2015
|
246
|
232
|
94.3
|
97
|
8
|
8.25
|
01.01.2016 onwards
|
514
|
401
|
78.02
|
239
|
1
|
0.42
|
* Majority of Lt Col who have retired after 2014 are currently drawing
less pension than OROP
|
* * * * *
Sir, this is invaluable information.
ReplyDeleteTwo issues readily attract attention:
(a) The view of Jt CGDA (Pension) that ".....past pensioners are drawing higher pension that those who have retired between 1.7.2014 and 31.12.2015 and post 1.1.2016 retirees......If this anomaly turns out to be widespread, the logic of revising pension of past retirees to bring them to the level of current pensioners would not subsist" appears to be misleading. The real issue is, what about those past pensioners for whom OROP and, later, 2.57XOROP were fixed much below pension of current retirees with equal service in same, or higher, time-bound rank? Also, how is it proposed to address the matter of below-par fixation of 7CPC "notional pay" of older retirees in these ranks? These aspects affect thousands of Officer veterans in ranks of Major and Lt Col, these ranks now being based on qualifying service.
(b) In Annexure B furnished by Under Secretary (P/L-II) MoD, Deptt of ESW, the figure of pension based on "Minimum of Pay in Payband" has been quoted as a means for benchmarking current pensions and that too for comparing what are arguably flawed fixations under OROP and, later on, for pensions based on 7CPC notional pay. The annexure also states in a table that "* Majority of Lt Col who have retired after 2014 are currently drawing less pension than OROP". That is a completely vague statement as the table does not even try to fix parities based on QS of current and older retirees in different time-bound ranks.
It would take a comprehensive grasp of the RTI process, as displayed in posts on this blog, to unearth thought processes that govern pension fixation. Your views on this blog would help and guide readers on advisability and methodology of obtaining specific information through RTI for obtaining a clearer picture, such as correct information and data to replace the red query marks I had posted in a table here http://bit.ly/327ViFA and whether such an approach could help in identifying those aspects of pension fixation that require clearer focus and attention on part of all concerned.
Sir, it has been done by way of another appn seeking certain information in a certain format. Patience (30 days of it) and there will be more information.
DeleteYou have not commented by using the figures given for Lt Col Brig and matching with Concordance Tables, though I gave you some actual amounts of QS vis-a-vis Basic Pay.
Sir, the information resulting from your latest RTI initiative may prove to be yet another an eye opener for everyone as to how this totally opaque, at best translucent, way of fixing entitlements has been putting ESM at a disadvantage.
DeleteI am also trying to figure out how the Annexure B to noting by Under Secretary (P/L-II) can arrive at the conclusion about non-OROP pensions being lower than those of older LT Col retirees getting 2.57xOROP. It definitely needs to be confirmed.
In the meantime, I have begun to co-relate the pay and QS of currently serving Officers as mentioned by you. I have prepared a comparative table for the rank of Wg Cdr. It is in draft form and could be corrected based on scrutiny and feedback on this blog. I'll get to the other ranks in a day or two. The Wg Cdr table could be viewed here http://bit.ly/2Z8tnDu
Your rank has been removed & shri has been endorsed. Lodge PIL as it violation of Art 18 of fundamental right & ask compensation for defamation
ReplyDeleteThank you for your sentiments. Do not want to be distracted from the main issue - is OROP x 2.57 better or Notional pay based pension better.
DeleteSir, I have now drafted a table for Gp Capt (TS) based on the QS and pay of an Officer currently serving in that rank, as mentioned by you.
DeleteAt first glance it would appear that both 2.57xOROP and Concordance Table fix pensions of older retirees at a lower level than those retiring with equal QS in the the same rank in the post 01 Jan 2016 period. The pensions of older retirees appear to be placed at par with those of current retirees with less QS.
Out of the two, the 2.57XOROP fixation appears to cause less damage. A link to the table : http://bit.ly/30Ck2Ek.