Tuesday, 25 February 2020

OROP 2015 - Part IV continued Annexures B to D (concluded)

Annexure B

VERIFICATION/SCRUTINY OF OROP TABLES SENT BY PCDA(P) ALLAHABAD FOR PBOR

A          Discrepancy in rates of Army (PBOR)

1.         Casting errors in CST (Comparative Statement of Tables) for Army

(i)         In QS 7 years of Sep ‘X’ rate of Air Force @ Rs 7145 (min & max) has not been included in CST though rate was taken in final tables.

(ii)        In QS 20 years Sep ‘Y’ rate of Army @ 6047 (min) taken in CST but data if Army shows @ 5480

(iii)       In QS 15.5. Sep ‘Y’ rate of Army @ 6870 (max) taken for CST but data of Army shows @ 7050.

(iv)       In QS 19 years Naik  ‘Y’ rate of Army @ 7435 (max) taken in CST but in data of Army shows @ 7440

(v)                In QS 29.5 years Sub ‘Y’ rate of Army @13298 (max) taken in CST but in data of Army shows @ 13295.
Annexure C
Error in calculation of pension in respect of Regular Commissioned Officers

Note: PCDA indicates calculated by PCDA (P); HQ indicates calculated by O/o CGDA

For ease of reference the Landscape setup has been changed to Portrait by me

Rank
Major
Lt Col
Col (TS)
Col
QS
PCDA
HQ
PCDA
HQ
PCDA
HQ
PCDA
HQ
14








14.5








15
21530
23040






15.5
21530
23040






16
21530
23040






16.5
21530
23040






17
21530
23040






18
21530
23040






19
21530
23040






19.5
21530
23040


30014
29167


20
21530
23040






20.5
21530
23040






21
21530
23040






21.5
21530
23040






22
21530
23815






22.5
21530
23815






23
21530
23815






23.5
21530
23815






24
21530
23815






24.5
21530
23815






25
21530
23815






25.5
21530
23815
32813
32775




26
21530
23815
32813
32780




26.5
21530
23815
33225
33850




27
21530
23815
33225
33850




28
21530
23815
33225
33850




28.5
21530
23815
33225
33850




29
21530
23815
33225
33850


35325
35233
30
21530
23815
33225
33850




30.5
21530
23815
33225
33850




31
21530
23815
34393
33925




31.5
21530
23815






32
21530
23815






32.5
21530
23815






33
21530
23815








Rank
Brig
Maj Gen
Lt Gen
Lt Gen (HAG+)
QS
PCDA
HQ
PCDA
HQ
PCDA
HQ
PCDA
HQ
14








14.5








15








15.5








16








16.5








17








18








19








19.5








20








20.5








21








21.5








22








22.5








23








23.5








24








24.5








25








25.5








26
34799
34904
34799
34904
34799
34904
34799
34904
26.5








27








28








28.5








29








30








30.5








31






37576
37636
31.5




37705
37798
38182
38218
32


37589
37601
38304
38315
38788
38800
32.5


38176
38182
38902
38908
39394
39400
33









Error in calculation of pension in respect of Doctors of AMC/ADC & RVC including Doctors of Navy and Air Force
*PCDA indicates PCDA (P)

Rank
Col (TS)
Col
Brig
Maj Gen
Lt Gen

QS
PCDA*
HQ
PCDA
HQ
PCDA
HQ
PCDA
HQ
PCDA
HQ
0.5










1










1.5




23652
23646
23652
23646
23652
23646
2










2.5




24383
24377
24383
24377
24383
24377
3










3.5




25137
25130
25137
25130
25137
25130
4










4.5




25914
25907
25914
25907
25914
25907
5










5.5




26715
26708
26715
26708
26715
26708
6










6.5




27540
27533
27540
27533
27540
27533
7










7.5




28391
28384
28391
28384
28391
28384
8










8.5




29269
29261
29269
29261
29269
29261
9




29714
29713
29714
29713
29714
29713
9.5




30173
30165
30173
30165
30173
30165
10




30632
30631
30632
30631
30632
30631
10.5




31106
31097
31106
31097
31106
31097
11




31579
31578
31579
31578
31579
31578
11.5




32067
32058
32067
32058
32067
32058
12




32555
32554
32555
32554
32555
32554
12.5




33058
33049
33058
33049
33058
33049
13




33561
33560
33561
33560
33561
33560
13.5




34080
34071
34080
34071
34080
34071
14










14.5




35133
35124
35133
35124
35133
35124
15










15.5




36219
36210
36219
36210
36219
36210
16










16.5




37338
37329
37338
37329
37338
37329
17










17.5




38492
38483
38492
38483
38492
38483
18










18.5




39682
39673
39682
39673
39682
39673
19










19.5




40909
40899
40909
40899
40909
40899
20










20.5










21
42332
42163
42332
42163
42332
42163
42332
42163
42332
42163













Errors in calculation of pension for MNS Officers

Rank
Col
Brig
Maj Gen
QS
PCDA
HQ
PCDA
HQ
PCDA
HQ
0.5




11039
11670
1




11207
11847
1.5




11380
12030
2




11553
12213
2.5




11732
12402
3




11910
12590
3.5




12094
12785
4




12278
12979
4.5




12468
13180
5




12657
13380
5.5




12853
13587
6




13048
13793
6.5




13250
14006
7




13451
14219
7.5




13659
14439
8




13867
14658
8.5




14081
14885
9




14295
15111
9.5




14516
15345
10




14737
15578
10.5




14965
15819
11




15192
16059
11.5




15427
16307
12




15661
16555
12.5




15903
16811
13




16145
17066
13.5




16395
17330
14




16644
17593
15




17158
18137
15.5




17423
18417
16




17688
18697
16.5




17962
18986
17




18235
19275
17.5




18517
19573
18




18978
19871
18.5




19089
20178
19




19379
20485
20




19978
21118
20.5




20287
21445
21




20595
21771
21.5
20638
20595
20638
20595
20638
22108
22




20914
22444
22.5




21389
22791
23




21864
23138
23.5
21338
21335
21338
21335
22340
23496
24




22815
23853
24.5




23290
24222
25




23766
24590
25.5
21988
21805
21988
21805
24241
24970
26




24716
25350
26.5




25192
25742
27


22250
22733
25667
26133
27.5
22582
22550
22582
22915
26142
26537
28


22613
23269
26617
26941
28.5


22963
23623
27093
27358
29


23312
23988
27568
27774
29.5


23672
24353
28043
28203
30


24032
24730
28519
28632
30.5


24404
25106
28994
29075
31


24775
25494
29469
29517
31.5


25158
25882
29945
29973
32


25541
26282
30420
30429
32.5


26936
26682
30895
30900
33


26330
27095
31370
31370
Note: Rate for Brigadier at 33 years has been arrived at by reducing the available rate at 37.5 years.
Errors in calculation of pension for MNS Officers

Table has been edited to give amounts for the QS indicated
 
Rank
Lt
Capt
QS
PCDA
HQ
PCDA
HQ
17 to 17.5
Amounts Not indicated
18


14216
15175
18.5


14436
15175
19


14655
15175
19.5


14882
15175
20


15108
15175
20.5 to 26
Amounts Not indicated





26.5
15627
15175


27
15627
15175


27.7 to 33
Amounts Not Incicated

Calculations Errors in Final Tables

 In the following places calculation errors observed in final tables during scrutiny, same should be recalculated, rechecked and modified accordingly

[A]       Service Pension (PBOR – Regular Army)

QS
Rank
Group
As per calculations in HQ office
Rate proposed by PCDA (P) Allahabad
15.5 to 19.5 years
Naik
Y
7275
7278

QS
Rank
Group
As per calculations in HQ office
Rate proposed by PCDA (P) Allahabad
15.5 to 19.5 years
Hony Havildar
Y
7275
7278

QS
Rank

As per calculations in HQ office
Rate proposed by PCDA (P) Allahabad
26.5
Hony Lt
-
14799
15627
27
Hony Lt

15336
15627

[B]       TA (PBOR)

            Service Pension

QS
Rank

As per calculations in HQ office
Rate proposed by PCDA (P) Allahabad
9
Hav

6246
6257
9.5
Hav

6246
6257
10
Hav

6246
6364

QS
Rank

As per calculations in HQ office
Rate proposed by PCDA (P) Allahabad
3.5
Subedar

7478
7468


QS
Rank

As per calculations in HQ office
Rate proposed by PCDA (P) Allahabad
23 to 24
Subedar

11533
11386
24.5 to 26
Subedar

12330
11386
26.5 & above
Subedar

12660
11386

QS
Rank

As per calculations in HQ office
Rate proposed by PCDA (P) Allahabad
16
Sub Major

11386
11484
16.5
Sub Major

11484
11581

QS
Rank

As per calculations in HQ office
Rate proposed by PCDA (P) Allahabad
24.5 to 25.5
Subedar

12330
11581
26 to 29 & above
Subedar

12660
12225

[C]       Family Pensions, Disability Element & War Injury Elements (PBOR): The corresponding rates of above mentioned QS and ranks in family pensions and disability element & war injury elements of PBOR will also be corrected accordingly.

[D]       Family Pensions, Disability Element & War Injury Elements (PBOR): There are Re One (01) differences in many places due to rounding off of pension which will get checked and ensured that only once rounding off will be given in calculation.

Annexure D
Revised Air Force Data

S No.
QS
Rank
Group
Min
Max
Action by JCDA (AF)
Remarks
1
7
AC/LAC
X
7145
7145
Checked & found correct

2
15
AC/LAC
X
7845 rectified as 7450
8315 rectified as 8180
MACP granted, hence data removed from chart
Same has been confirmed by DAV in writing
3
15
AC/LAC
Y

7605 rectified as 6965
MACP granted, hence data removed from chart
Same has been confirmed by DAV in writing
4
6.5
CPL
X
7290
7290
Read 7350 for Min & Max

5
6.5
CPL
Y
6530
6530
Checked & found correct

6
8.5
CPL
X
8070
8070
Checked & found correct

7
11.5
CPL
Y
7275
8275
Checked & found correct

8
17
CPL
X
8770
9230
For 0230 read as 8770
9230 is CPL with MACP
9
17.5
CPL
X

9305
Min & Max data deleted as same is for CPL MACP

10
19.5
CPL
X

9245
Min & Max data deleted as same is for CPL MACP

11
20
CPL
Y

8295
Min & Max data deleted as same is for CPL MACP

12
17
SGT
X

10670
For 10670 Read 9685

13
17.5
JWO
X

10940
Checked and found correct

14
19.5
SGT
Y

9020 rectified as 8390
Checked and found correct

15
20
SGT
X

10275  rectified as 9245
Checked and found correct

16
21
SGT
Y
5370 rectified as 8185
8400
Checked and found correct

17
23
JWO
X

11365
Checked and found correct

18
25.5
JWO
X

11365
Checked and found correct

19
35
JWO
X

11545 rectified as 12530
Checked and found correct

20
18
WO
Y
10840
10840
Removed being direct entry
Trade: GTI Sports
21
19
WO
X
12410
12410
Removed being direct entry
Trade: EDN Inst
22
22.5
WO
X

11835
Checked and found correct

23
26
WO
X

12430
Checked and found correct

24
29
MWO
X
14395
14395
Removed being direct entry
Trade: EDN Inst
25
32.5
MWO
Y
12285
12285
Checked and found correct


--------------Original Message-----------
From: Ravin Agarwal <ravinagarwal11@yahoo.com>
Date: Jan 11, 2016
Subject: FW: OROP table & data in r/o TA/DSC (PBOR) & EC/SS& MNS (CO)
To: Rajesh Kumar Gupta CGDA Office guptarajesh.cgda@nic.in, Rajesh Gupta rajeshcgda@gmail.com

On Saturday January 9, 2016 3:03 PM, Arvind Kumar Malviya arvind_malviya.cgda@nic.in wrote

Dear Sir

The tables of TA & DSC (PBOR) and tables of Commissioned Officers are attached herewith. The data and CST are also attached.

As discussed yesterday with PCDA (P), the protection of circular 500 has been withdrawn in retiring pension. But the same is still given in other types of pensions as given in circular 503, 542 etc. Please confirm whether these protection will also be withdrawn or not.

The tables of regular PBOR are under re-modification due to receipt of amended data from Jt CDA (AF) on 9.1.2016 at 1.25 pm.

Regards
A. K. Malviya
*          *          *          *          *          *
On Monday, January 11, 2016 10:34 AM, Rajesh Kumar Gupta guptarajesh.cgda@nic.in wrote:

Dear Sir,
With reference to clarification sought, it was decided that the protection previously applicable only for one category of pensioners (pre-2006) is not to be incorporated in the tables as it will affect the entitlement of other category of pensioners (post 2006). The protection already allowed in the rate of pensions is not being withdrawn but the tables on OROP is being prepared independently  from all existing orders by taking into account average pension of 2013 retirees.

Hence, equal treatment has to be allowed for all kind of pensioners whether are in receipt of service, family or disability pension.

May be advised not to incorporate the protection with existing rates of pension in the tables of OROP for family pension and disability element also.

Sir, please check the reply and forward to Malviya sir if found appropriate for needful.

With regards
Rajesh.

*          *          *          *          *
Jai Hind



3 comments:

  1. Sir, this information is truly priceless in highlighting the lack of transparency in the manner OROP tables were made.

    The information yielded by this RTI drive may not fully explain to an individual veteran as to how his specific OROP was fixed but it points the way to how more case-specific information needs to be obtained by those affected, on the lines of efforts made by you to make these valuable inputs available for all.

    The notings and the tables provided in response to the application contain ample indications of a tendency to obfuscate what should've been a straight-forward matter.

    For instance the tabulated calculations for pensions at QS starting of 0.5 years in the case of some ranks is a source of bewilderment as no one retiring with that QS in 2013 would have got a pension. Though CPCs do calculate pensions starting from 0.5 years of QS, for OROP, which is based on min and max pensions of those retiring in 2013, such tabulation does indicate some thumb-rules have been adopted and that there is a need for obtaining more precise answers from various agencies.

    Your guidance would be invaluable, for instance, to those who might seek precise reasons, for the fixation of their OROP, in a format such as this one ---> bit.ly/2TWgXwV

    Or there could be some advice for working out a better format than that for requisite information before applying under RTI.

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  2. I am an ex MCPO I X gp (Navy)20+ yrs QS and as per Cir 555, my OROP was set as 12895. There is no mention of this category, kindly advise as per this RTI with respect to CGDA revision of OROP.

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    1. Sir, I am awaiting the live data from PCDA (P). I will provide you the same so that you will know how they went about fixing your OROP.

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