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MINUTES OF THE PAY REVIEW COMMITTEE (PARC) MEETING No. 45/2014 HELD ON 21 OCT 2014 AT ROOM No. 116, TRIPAS, KASHMIR HOUSE

1. A meeting of PARC was held at TRIPAS, Room No. 116, Kashmir House on 21 Oct 14 at 1000 hrs. The meeting was attended by the following members: -

(a) R ADM Pradeep Joshi VSM - ACOP (Adm-Civ) & Chairman PARC

(b) AVM SM Subhani -ACAS (Fin P) & Chairman AFPCC

(d) Gp Capt S Dargar - Member AFPCC, Air HQ

(e) Gp Capt Updesh Sharma VSM – Member AFPCC, Air HQ

(f) Col Jasdeep Singh - Director APCC

(g) Col RK Prusty - Director ‘B’ APCC

(h) Cdr SD Dogra - Member NPCC, Naval HQ

(j) Wg Cdr Sonny Misra - Member AFPCC, Air HQ

(k) Wg Cdr Kamal Hira - Joint Director, TRIPAS

(l) Cdr Sanjeev Thapa - Member Naval Pay Commission Cell

(m) Lt Col Akhil Rathee - AAG TRIPAS

(n) Lt Col SK Patnaik - O i/c Pay Cell, DGAFMS

(p) Lt Col Puneet Raina - GSO I A

(q) Wg Cdr KN Bhatt -Member AFPCC, Air HQ

(r) Lt Cdr Arun Sudhi - Member Naval Pay Commission Cell

2. The following Agenda points were discussed during the meeting: -

AGENDA POINTS	ACTION	INFO
ITEM I: RESOLUTION OF CORE ANOMALIES 1. Joint Director TRIPAS brought out, based on discussions of Service officers with 7^th CPC that only on receipt of directive by the Finance Ministry resolution of core anomalies by CPC would be undertaken. DECISION Chairman informed that a Draft letter has been put up by APCC on the subject and the same has been sent to PPOC for approval.		APCC NPCC AFPCC TRIPAS
ITEM II PRESENTATION ON NFU, EXTENSION OF SUPERANNUATION AGE AND EXTENSION OF FR/SR FOR DEFENCE SERVICES 2. Joint Director TRIPAS informed that presentations by three pay cells on the following subject may be given: - (a) Proposed model for NFU - APCC (b) Extension of Superannuation Age – NPCC (c) Proposal for extension of FR/SR for Defence Forces - AFPCC DECISION Chairman, after detailed discussions with PARC members directed to discuss above mentioned presentations at director level first and then presentation to be given by respective Pay Cells on the same to PARC members in the next PARC meeting i.e. on 29 Oct 14.	APCC NPCC AFPCC	TRIPAS
ITEM III POINTS FOR ANALYSIS SUBMITTED BY NPCC 3. Joint Director TRIPAS informed that various points for analysis submitted by NPCC and details of the same has been shard with Army and Air Force pay cells for their views/comments. Following points for analysis submitted by NPCC: - (a) Strategic Forces allowance at higher rate for Strategic platforms (b) Retention of accommodation on retirement/superannuation (c) Enhancement of limits of electricity and water charges (d) Cash handling allowance for Defence Force personnel DECISION: ACAS (Fin P) & Chairman AFPCC suggested to discuss the issues at Director level during TRIPAS meeting and make one opinion and subsequently in the next PARC meeting the same may be discussed. He also directed Pay Cells to put up brief on the same for respective Chairmen of Pay Cell for their information before it is discussed in PARC meeting. Chairman PARC directed Joint Director TRIPAS to plan Director level meting of Pay Cells before including agenda for PARC meeting in future. He also emphasised on having a TRIPAS meeting before discussing any agenda in PARC meeting. Chairman PARC also instructed all three Pay Cells to send agenda points with detailed justification/Brief to TRIPAS at least 4-5 days in advance.	APCC NPCC AFPCC	TRIPAS
ITEM IV DELIBERATION ON POINTS DISCUSSED DURING PARC MEETING ON 07 OCT 14 4. Joint Director TRIPAS suggested to hold discussions on points discussed during PARC meeting on 07 Oct 14. The following points need further deliberations at TRIPAS meeting: - (a) Issue of dropping rank (b) Reduction of QS for Pension for Officers (c) Increase in tenure of SSC Officers to 15 years or grant of pension. DECISION Chairman PARC directed all the Pay Cells to discuss above mentioned points among three Pay Cells and submit recommendations in next PARC meeting. He instructed Joint Director TRIPAS to note the same and after TRIPAS level discussions ten only include in agenda for next PARC meeting.	APCC NPCC AFPCC	TRIPAS
ITEM V CONTENTS OF LETTER FORWARDED BY SECY PPOC (VIDE NOTE 18215/7^TH CPC/PPOC/IDS DATED 14 OCT 15) 5. Joint Director informed that a letter written by Wg Cdr RK Narang on anomalies in Joint Services Memorandum to 7^th CPC and issues for addendum to Joint Services Memorandum needs to be discussed and to prepare appropriate reply. DECISION Chairman AFPCC & ACAS (Fin P) brought out that all of the issues brought out in the letter have been included in JSM and best of 7^th CPC JSM has been produced with lot of efforts. Chairman PARC instructed AFPCC to submit suitable reply accordingly.	AFPCC	APCC NPCC
ITEM IV CONSOLIDATION/MERGING OF (A) FEW ALLOWANCES 6. Joint Director TRIPAS informed about meeting held with MoD D(Pay/Services) and MoD (Pay Commission Cell). MoD has requested for justification for not consolidating/merging a few of the allowances. Accordingly views/comments /justifications of three Pay Cells have been requested. Views received from pay cells have been shared with other pay cells. Reply on the same is required to be sent to MoD D (Pay/Services) on priority as they are insisting on reply at the earliest. DECISION Chairman AFPCC & ACAS (Fin P) in consultation with Chairman PARC directed Gp Capt Updesh Sharma to put up draft reply on the same. 7. Members of the Pay Cells requested to fix PDC for submission of points to be included in addendum to JSM. Joint Director TRIPAS informed last date as per PARC meeting hld on 07 Oct 14 (22/2014) is 30 Oct 14. DECISION Chairman PARC instructed to submit points to be included in the addendum to JSM be forwarded to TRIPAS for compilation by 30 Oct and to finalise the same by 15 Nov. He instructed TRIPAS to plan TRIPAS meeting to discuss any issue/points before taking up in PARC meting in future. He also instructed Directors of all three Pay Cells to ensure submission of replies to TRIPAS note/letters on priority and timely information on progress of any issue/point	AFPCC APCC NPCC AFPCC	APCC NPCC TRIPAS TRIPAS
ITEM – VIII 8. Dy Chairman APCC brought out that Queries/Questions raised by 7^th CPC during visit to Defence units/formations need to be compiled and needs to be discussed. DECISION Chairman PARC instructed to compile all such Queries/Questions raised by 7^th CPC members during visits to various places of Defence Services and to discuss at TRIPAS and brief to be put up to respective Chairman Pay Cell.	APCC NPCC AFPCC

3. There being no further point, the meeting was adjourned at 1130 hrs.

4. This has the approval of Chairman PARC.

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C/7104/TRIPAS/Minutes/Vol II (Kamal Hira)

Dated: 27 Oct 14 Wg Cdr

Joint Director TRIPAS

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MINUTES OF THE PAY SPECIAL REVIEW COMMITTEE (PARC) MEETING No. 05/2015 HELD ON 24 FEB 15 AT ROOM No. 116, TRIPAS, KASHMIR HOUSE

1. A PARC meeting was held at TRIPAS, Room No. 116, Kashmir House on 24 Feb 15 at 1500 hrs. The meeting was attended by the following members: -

(a) R ADM Pradeep Joshi VSM - ACOP (Adm-Civ) & Chairman PARC

(b) Maj Gen KK Aggarwal VSM - Chairman APCC

(d) Brig VD Chowgule - DDG, APCC, Army HQ

(e) Air Cmde H Bains VSM - Dy Chairman AFPCC, Air HQ

(f) Gp Capt S Dargar - Member AFPCC, Air HQ

(g) Capt (IN) AT Anandan VSM - Dy Chairman, NPCC, Naval HQ

(h) Gp Capt Updesh Sharma VSM – Member AFPCC, Air HQ

(j) Col Sameer Srivastava - Director ‘C’ APCC

(k) Cdr VS Chauhan - Director TRIPAS

(l) Cdr SD Dogra - Member NPCC, Naval HQ

(m) Wg Cdr Kamal Hira - Joint Director, TRIPAS

(n) Lt Col Akhil Rathee - AAG TRIPAS

(p) Cdr Sanjeev Thapa - Member Naval Pay Commission Cell

(q) Cdr SK Sharma - Member Naval Pay Commission Cell

(r) Lt Col BK Singh - Member APCC

(s) Lt Col Puneet Raina - GSO I A

(t) Lt Cdr Arun Sudhi - Member Naval Pay Commission Cell

(u) Lt Cdr Ankit Batra - Member Naval Pay Commission Cell.

2. After detailed deliberations on the agenda points, the following decisions were taken: -

AGENDA POINTS	ACTION	INFO
ITEM-I ADDENDUM TO 7^th CPC JSM 1. Chairman PPOC had directed to submit addendum by end Feb 2015. 2. Decision Chairman PARC directed all Directors of Pay Cells to finalise addendum as per the minutes of PPOC meeting held on 17 Feb 15 and submit Draft addendum by 26 Feb 15 for finalisation and submission to CoSC prior to dispatch to 7^th CPC. Following proposals were discussed and Chairman PARC directed that: - (a) Hydrographic Survey Allowance Hydrographic Allowance is to be taken up as per proposal of Navy Note PX/1000 dated 20 Feb 15. (b) Parachute Allowance @ 80% of Special Forces Allowance (c) Live Trial Para Descent Allowance COSC to give further orders. (d) Military Service Pay No further deliberations.	APCC NPCC AFPCC	TRIPAS
ITEM – II DATA SOUGHT BY 7^TH CPC/MoD 3. TRIPAS brought out that Data as required by 7^th CPC DO letter dated 24 Dec 14 has been received at TRIPAS and examined. Some Annexures need to be reviewed. 4. Decision Issue was discussed in detail and Chairman PARC directed all Pay Cells to review the data and submit to TRIPAS at the earliest.	APCC NPCC AFPCC	TRIPAS
ITEM-III PRESENTATION TO 7^TH CPC ON CORE ANOMALIES 5. It was brought out that members of 7^th CPC need to be sensitised about anomalies and various other issues before the Commission starts finalising the recommendations. 6. Decision Chairman APCC suggested to take up core issues one by one by three Chiefs. Chairman PARC directed that core issues to be taken up as and when opportunity arises. Directors of three Pay Cells to complete ‘Pay/Parity’ issues in tabular form.	APCC NPCC AFPCC	TRIPAS
ITEM – IV APPOINTMENT OF PIO FOR HANDLING RTI CASES 7. Director TRIPAS brought out the need to appoint PIO and First Appellate Authority for handling RTI queries at TRIPAS. 8. Decision Chairman PARC directed Director TRIPAS to put up on file recommending names of PIO and First Appellate Authority.	TRIPAS
ITEM – V PAY ANOMALY MAJ GEN vs BRIG 9. Case file on the issue was re-submitted on 11 Dec 14 to MoD. Follow up action is required. 10. Decision Chairman requested DDG, APCC to follow up the case with MoD	APCC	NPCC AFPCC TRIPAS
ITEM – VI STATUS OF 46 ANOMALIES 11. A presentation on status on 6^th CPC anomalies was given by TRIPAS. 12. Decision Chairman PARC instructed TRIPAS to send reminder wherever required and follow up till finality.	TRIPAS
ITEM –VII – OROP 13. Director TRIPAS brought out progress mad in OROP and sought further course of action. 14. Decision Chairman, after discussions with other PARC members instructed three Pay Cells to prepare OROP tables at the earliest and submit to PARC.	APCC NPCC AFPCC	TRIPAS
ITEM – VIII RANK PAY CASE 15. A draft DO from Chairman COSC to Hon’ble RM was sent on Rank Pay case on 13 Feb 15. 16. Decision Chairman PARC directed TRIPAS to submit copy of letter to PARC members. Regarding the case of Definition of Rank Pay, TRIPAS is to pursue matter with MoD.	TRIPAS

3. There being no further point, the meeting adjourned at 1615 hrs

4. This has the approval of Chairman PARC.

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(Kamal Hira)

Wg Cdr

Joint Director TRIPAS

C/7104/TRIPAS/Minuts/Vol-II

Dated: 02 Mar 15

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MINUTES OF THE PAY REVIEW COMMITTEE (PARC) MEETING No. 18/2015 HELD ON 24 NOV 15 AT 1400 HRS IN THE OFFICE OF ACOP (AC) & CHAIRMAN PARC

1. A Special PARC meeting was held in the office of ACOP (AC) & Chairman PARC on 24 Nov 15 at 1400 hrs. The meeting was attended by the following: -

(a) R Adm Pradeep Joshi VSM - ACOP (Adm-Civ) & Chairman PARC

(b) AVM SM Subhani - ACAS (Fin P) & Chairman AFPCC

(d) Cmde MK Jetly - PDPA

(e) Gp Capt Ashok Saini - Director AFPCC

(f) Col Jasdeep Singh - Director ‘A’ APCC

(g) Col Sameer Srivastava - Director ‘C’ APCC

(h) Capt (IN) VS Chauhan - Director TRIPAS

(j) Cdr SD Dogra - Oi/c Naval Pay Commission Cell

(k) Wg Cdr Kamal Hira - Joint Director TRIPAS

(l) Lt Col BBS Pundir - AAG TRIPAS

2. At the outset Director TRIPAS intimated PARC regarding PPOC meeting scheduled on 30 Nov 15 as under: -

AGENDA POINTS	ACTION	INFO
(a) ITEM-I REVISION OF PENSION IN RESPECT OF PRE-2006 RETIRED JCOs/OR (b) At 1415 hrs – Revision of Pension in respect of pre-2006 retired JCOs/OR – MoD letter dated 03 Sep 15 and subsequent development on the issue. (c) Decision Chairman PARC requested APCC to prepare a presentation and brief for PPOC on the issue.	APCC	NPCC AFPCC TRIPAS
(d) ITEM-II ANALYSIS OF 7^TH CPC RECOMMENDATIONS AT 1430 HRS (e) Decision All Pay Cells were directed to prepare a combined presentation on analysis of 7^th CPC recommendations and brief for PPOC as discussed during the meeting.	APCC NPCC AFPCC TRIPAS

3. Chairman PARC requested each of the Pay Cells to give their opinion on the 7^th CPC recommendations which were subsequently discussed.

4. Director APCC brought out the following: -

(a) None of the Core Anomalies projected to 7^th CPC by the MoD have been resolved.

(b) Why should there be a separate Pay Matrix for Defence Services?

(d) Issue of stagnation at various levels of Pay.

(e) Formula for calculation of pensions.

(f) Reciprocity of allowance(s)

(g) Ration availability to Coast Guard

5. ACAS (Fin P) & Chairman AFPCC brought out that certain allowances like Flying Pay and Tech II Allowance have been tinkered, thus disturbing the extant parities.

6. ADG PS brought out how certain allowances payable to Civilians in North East were much higher than the highest pegged Defence allowances like Siachin. He brought out how most of the 6^th CPC anomalies have not been resolved so far and suggested that the format of presentation for COSC should include the existing Pay Allowance ‘ as proposed’ and ‘as recommended by 7^th CPC.

7. ACOP (AC) & Chairman PARC brought out the following aspects: -

(a) 7^th CPC graphically depicted Pay Progression of Service officers vis-à-vis Gp A Officers from 3^rd CPC onwards, highlighting how emoluments of Service officers have steadily improved over the successive Pay Commissions by adding Rank Pay and MSP while calculating Basic Pay and at the same time denying the benefit of RP/MSP while determining Grade Pay/Level; and by not including MSP as part of Basic Pay for calculation of CTG, HRA etc. This aspect needs to be brought to the notice of hierarchy and taken up with the Govt for clarification.

(b) The JSM needs to be made public (at least now), in order to contain the damage made by 7^th CPC recommendations.

(d) Deduction of Income Tax for allowances available for North East allowance for Civilians needs to be studied.

(e) The tax concessions for canteen for CAPF and other Govt agencies need to be studied alongwith travel concessions and extra allowances applicable to CAPFs.

(f) The need to publically advertise and refute some of the incorrect assertions made by 7^th CPC which are damaging the credibility of Defence Services.

8. There being no further points, the meeting was adjourned at 1530 hrs.

9. This has the approval of Chairman PARC.

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(VS Chauhan)

C/7104/TRIPAS/Minutes/Vol-II Capt (IN)

Dated 26 Nov 15 Director TRIPAS

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