Monday 28 December 2015

Roughly



Ready Reckoner (E & O E)

If Promoted after 1.1.2006

(Please see SAI 2/S/2008, SAI 3/S/2008, and SAI 4/S/2008
& MoD letters for more details)


Rank
Capt/Lt/Flt Lt
Maj/Lt Cdr/Sqn Ldr
Lt Col/Cdr/Wg Cdr
Col/Capt/Gp Capt
Brig/Cmde/Air Cmde
Components
6 CPC
7 CPC
6 CPC
7 CPC
6 CPC
7 CPC
6 CPC
7 CPC
6 CPC
7 CPC
Pay in the Pay Band
16860
21630
37400
40200
43390
Grade Pay
6100
6600
8000
8700
8900
Military Service Pay (MSP)
0
0
0
0
0
Total
22960
28230
45400
48900
52290
Increment/yr
3%
3%
3%
3%
3%
New Pay scale Factor
2.57
2.57
2.57
2.57
2.57
New MSP added to Pay
15500
15500
15500
15500
15500
Y1 On Promotion
22960
74507
28230
88051
45400
132178
48900
141173
52290
149885
Y2
23649
76277
29077
90228
46762
135678
50367
144943
53859
153917
Y3
24358
78101
29949
92469
48165
139284
51878
148826
55474
158069
Y4
25089
79979
30848
94779
49610
142997
53434
152826
57139
162346
Y5
25842
81913
31773
97157
51098
146822
55037
156946
58853
166752
Y6
26617
83906
32726
99607
52631
150762
56689
161189
60618
171289
Y7
27415
85958
33708
102130
54210
154820
58389
165560
62437
175963
Y8
28238
88071
34719
104729
55836
158999
60141
170062
64310
180777
Y9
29085
90249
35761
107406
57511
163304
61945
174699
66239
185735
Y10
29958
92491
36834
110163
59237
167738
63803
179475
68227
190842
Y11
30856
94801
37939
113003
61014
172305
65718
184394
70273
196103
Y12
31782
97180
39077
115928
62844
177010
67689
189461
72382
201521
Y13
32735
99630
40249
118941
64730
181855
69720
194680
74553
207101
Y14
33718
102154
41457
122044
66671
186846
71811
200055
76790
212849
Y15
34729
104754
42700
125240
68672
191986
73966
205592
79093
218770
Y16
35771
107431
43981
128532
70732
197281
76185
211294
81466
224868
Y17
36844
110189
45301
131923
72854
202734
78470
217168
83910
231149
Y18
37949
113030
46660
135416
75039
208351
80824
223218
86427
237618
Y19
39088
115956
48060
139013
77290
214136
83249
229450
89020
244282
Y20
40260
118969
49501
142719
79609
220096
85746
235868
91691
251145
Y21
41468
122074
50987
146535
81997
226233
88319
242479
94442
258215
Y22
42712
125271
52516
150466
84457
232555
90968
249289
97275
265496
Y23
43994
128564
54092
154515
86991
239067
93697
256302
100193
272996
Y24
45314
131956
55714
158686
89601
245774
96508
263527
103199
280721



If Already in the Rank on 1.1.2006

(Please see SAI 2/S/2008, SAI 3/S/2008, and SAI 4/S/2008
& MoD letters for more details)


Rank
Capt/Lt/Flt Lt
Maj/Lt Cdr/Sqn Ldr
Lt Col/Cdr/Wg Cdr
Col/Capt/Gp Capt
Brig/Cmde/Air Cmde
Components
6 CPC
7 CPC
6 CPC
7 CPC
6 CPC
7 CPC
6 CPC
7 CPC
6 CPC
7 CPC
Pay in the Pay Band
18600
23810
38530
40890
43390
Grade Pay
6100
6600
8000
8700
8900
Military Service Pay (MSP)
0
0
0
0
0
Total
24700
30410
46530
49590
52290
Increment/yr
3%
3%
3%
3%
3%
New Pay scale Factor
2.57
2.57
2.57
2.57
2.57
New M S P added to Pay
15500
15500
15500
15500
15500
Y1 On Promotion
24700
78979
30410
93654
46530
135082
49590
142946
52290
149885
Y2
25441
80883
31322
95998
47926
138670
51078
146770
53859
153917
Y3
26204
82845
32262
98413
49364
142365
52610
150708
55474
158069
Y4
26990
84865
33230
100901
50845
146171
54188
154764
57139
162346
Y5
27800
86946
34227
103463
52370
150091
55814
158942
58853
166752
Y6
28634
89090
35254
106102
53941
154128
57488
163245
60618
171289
Y7
29493
91297
36311
108820
55559
158287
59213
167678
62437
175963
Y8
30378
93571
37400
111619
57226
162571
60989
172243
64310
180777
Y9
31289
95913
38522
114503
58943
166983
62819
176945
66239
185735
Y10
32228
98326
39678
117473
60711
171528
64704
181789
68227
190842
Y11
33195
100810
40868
120532
62532
176208
66645
186777
70273
196103
Y12
34191
103370
42095
123683
64408
181030
68644
191915
72382
201521
Y13
35216
106006
43357
126928
66341
185995
70703
197208
74553
207101
Y14
36273
108721
44658
130271
68331
191110
72825
202659
76790
212849
Y15
37361
111518
45998
133714
70381
196379
75009
208274
79093
218770
Y16
38482
114398
47378
137261
72492
201805
77260
214057
81466
224868
Y17
39636
117365
48799
140914
74667
207394
79577
220014
83910
231149
Y18
40825
120421
50263
144676
76907
213151
81965
226149
86427
237618
Y19
42050
123569
51771
148551
79214
219081
84424
232469
89020
244282
Y20
43312
126811
53324
152543
81591
225188
86956
238978
91691
251145
Y21
44611
130150
54924
156654
84038
231479
89565
245682
94442
258215
Y22
45949
133590
56572
160889
86560
237958
92252
252588
97275
265496
Y23
47328
137132
58269
165251
89156
244632
95020
259700
100193
272996
Y24
48748
140781
60017
169743
91831
251506
97870
267026
103199
280721














Excel version available on request (please email) so you can tweak it all by yourself 



Excel version available on request (please email) so you can tweak it all by yourself 

15 comments:

  1. Sir,
    Thank you for the revised tables.
    Which Table out of the above two , may be applicable, for pension computations, to those who retired in 5 CPC and earlier regimes?

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    1. Dear Penmil,

      Please let us know if any pay commission fixed pensions separately for ESM who retired just prior to its implementation and for ESM who retired prior to the previous pay commission?

      For example, 6th pay commission did not have pension tables for those who had retired between 01 Jan 96 to 31 Dec 06 and separately for those who had retired between 01 Jan 86 to 31 Dec 96.

      In that sense, the pension recommendations of 7th CPC are even more straight forward. They speak very clearly of increments earned in pay-band and then fixing the pension in the "matrix".

      There might be a way to prepare tables that provide a relationship with years of service and pensions based on increments and for all ranks unlike the one I was led to from link provided here, which is restricted to ESM in just a few officer ranks ow.ly/WpL63 .

      Regards.

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    2. @ashwanisarda, the answers to your queries lie in Paras 4, (b) and note thereto, 5, to 11 of SAI 2/S/98 and Paras 5, 6, 7, 11 and 12 of SAI 2/S/2008.

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    3. Sir,

      Thank you. However those paras cover fixation of pay for officers who had crossed the implementation dates of the two pay commissions (5th and 6th) covered by those SAIs.

      My concern throughout has been how pensions would be fixed for ESM who have retired prior to implementation date of 7th CPC, also taking into account the one rank one pension matter with its equal service condition.

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    4. @ashwanisarda29 December 2015 at 17:28
      "Please let us know if any pay commission fixed pensions separately for ESM who retired just prior to its implementation and for ESM who retired prior to the previous pay commission?"
      No.It was Modified Parity till now.
      But in 7 CPC it is full parity. As can be seen there are two scales running parallel one for those who had entered a given rank prior to 01/01/2006 and anoter for those entered later to that date.
      Hence the doubt.
      I thought all would be notionally fitted into the first table, if retired prior to 01/01/2016.
      But we will have to wait and see.

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    5. Dear penmil,

      Are the two scales part of recommendations of 7th CPC? As far as I could see, they have just one matrix applicable after 1st January of 2017.

      A pointer to the chapter or para of the 7th CPC Report where such a dual scale/table has been made available would be most welcome.

      Regards

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    6. May wish to read Para 5.2.5 and illustration therein, Para 5.2.6 where SAI 2/S/2008 is quoted and Para 5.2.12.

      For those serving, promoted or retired after 1.1.2006, there may not be doubts of places in the matrix, but for those who will have re-fixation by way of OROP, there may be doubts on the entry pay i.e same rank, same years of service but average of PB + GP and the others with maximum for those years of service in the same rank!

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    7. Sir,

      Those paras, and the illustrations do not throw any light on how differently would the pensioners, who retired before January 2006, be treated while fixing pensions as per recommendations of 7th CPC.

      All those paras merely explain how the matrix has been devised. Ultimately, it is the matrix that has an answer to everything.

      If what the matrix calls a "level" is seen to apply to a certain pay-band of 6th CPC, and hence to the appropriate rank, then, as things stand, the same "level" is to be understood to apply to ESM who retired in the same rank before January 2006.

      As an example, if a Col is in "level" 13 in the matrix, then pensions, as far as the recommendations are to be trusted, of all ESM in Col rank who retired before January 2016 will have their pensions fixed as per matrix depending on how many increments they had got in the same pay-band (or the corresponding earlier pay-scale of V CPC).

      That should not be a problem, but it remains to be seen if "equal service" condition of one rank one pension will be met if only increments received are considered. At least, that is what the tables I had mentioned appear to suggest.

      Regards.

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    8. It appears you have the knowledge and interpretative skills and were just testing us out!

      Maybe you will provide the reply to this one:

      As per the 17 Jan 13 (now 03 Sep 15) enhanced parity circular, Col 2005 with 25 years of service is paid Rs 26953 as pension. Multiply that by 2.57 and you get Rs 69269 as his pension in 7th CPC.

      On the other hand, Col 2015 with 25 years of service retires on 31.12.2015 and gets Rs 34480 as pension. Multiply this by 2.57 and you get Rs 88614 as pension for 7th CPC.

      Both 25 years of service, retired 10 years apart and at different levels? How would you resolve this unless there is OROP?

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    9. Sir,

      That was the reason for my queries. There are many grey areas.

      The example given by you of the pensions of the two Colonels can be explained by saying the amounts arrived at by using the factor of 2.57 would need to be compared with pensions calculated by counting increments of both in corresponding pay-band, now converted to level 13, and then taking the higher amounts. Since one Col retired in 2005 and the other in 2015, their increments drawn may not differ too much as they both have 25 years of service. So they won't have vastly different pensions as these would be determined by the increments and not by the 2.57 factor.

      But that would not hold for a Col who retired with 25 years of service long ago. In spite of the service being 25 years, he would have got a much lower number of increments in his rank and pay-scale.

      My concern is that by saying the Matrix provides OROP for all, people may overlook that in case of defence ranks, the reverse could be true. That much older retired Col with 25 years of service that I had mentioned would get a lower pension than the two Colonels you have mentioned, who would have larger number of increments to their credit for the same 25 years of service.

      As you have pointed out, OROP has to be implemented first and then alone the full effect of the matrix could be gauged.

      Regards.

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    10. All offrs before 1.1.06 were having closed scales. Moreover as one got promoted to cols /brigs he was generally at the top of his scale. So he ended up getting only two stag increments. Technically about three increments. In 6cpc regime these offrs were having running scales. How can you get them(pre06 and post06) on a common matrix? Have I understood justice Mathur properly?

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  2. One would already have been in that rank on 1.1.2006 if one has retired in 5 CPC regime. Hence the in situ will apply.

    However stepping up of pension will apply when OROP is implemented in the true sense.

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  4. @aerial view. May I request you to cite one case where a Brig/Cmde/Air cmde will have 52290 as his basic pay in the VIcpc regime? or its equivalent in the 7cpc regime as per matric above. Since a Brig is promoted only after 25 yrs service (or thereabout) the matrix for the rank should have begun from say 24 yrs. Any one being promoted to Brig as on 01 Jan 16, will have 66239+6000/185735 as per 6cpc/7cpc at the least. The matrix has carried forward the anomalies of the 6cpc in toto!!!! A waste of effort by 7cpc.

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    1. Please read the following: - Para 11 and 12 of SAI 2/S/2008, and tables attached to the SAI.

      Para 5.1.13 onwards for clarity on use of matrix (not matric, which I think is an abbr for matriculation) in 7 CPC Report. It is explained that the horizontal scale is progression by way of promotion and the vertical scale is the progression within that rank.

      Secondly I am not sure where you got Rs 66239 from because the top of the Pay Band for Brigs (like you, I presume) is 67000 just Rs 761 more than the figure quoted.

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